<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I lost the original post, so I am responding via Joly's reply.<div><br></div><div>Happy Birthday.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;">To what extent are the assumptions in Internet governance due to :-</blockquote></div></div></blockquote>
<br><div><div>I think you missed e) Unrealistic Expectations f) All of the above.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;">What prevents standardisation of protocols that support unmediated<br>assignment of unique Internet resources to users?</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Assignment of resources implies "stateful" protocols, which is generally discouraged within the Internet (it is allowed, of course, for application protocols). RSVP, MIP, IPSEC, RHOC, etc. not withstanding ;p.</div><div><br></div><div>What you are describing sounds like a connect-oriented service at the IP layer. Definitely discouraged.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps I misunderstand your suggestions. I'm not sure what you mean exactly by :</div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;">assignment of resources protocols into code</blockquote></div></div></blockquote><br><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Gary</div><div><br></div><div>On 2013.11.12, at 3:40 PM, Joly MacFie <<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">joly@punkcast.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><font face="yw-b3b03f93acb29dde874548d979c14638352bd06e-5cf6651ae5485bbd257595a78dcb8024--o" style=""></font><div>The archived webcast is available at <a href="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6092">http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6092</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks Dave for a masterful job of moderating, although I did not hear Christian's questions asked.</div><div><br></div><div>j</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;">Well it's my birthday so how about these off the top?<br>
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To what extent are the assumptions in Internet governance due to :-<br>
a/ artefacts of technology implementation?<br>
b/ emergent from jurisdictional overlaps?<br>
c/ backwash from regulatory business model and incumbency expectations?<br>
d/ ignorance?<br>
<br>
What prevents standardisation of protocols that support unmediated<br>
assignment of unique Internet resources to users?<br>
<br>
Would turning assignment of resources protocols into code rather than<br>
continuing the current manual and intermediary based methodologies for<br>
DNS, IP, AS, Port assignment help redefine Internet governance to<br>
diminish the current noise from inter organisational and uni/ multi<br>
lateral rivalry issues?<br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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