<div dir="ltr">It's really unexpected ending up a chapter this way. We should work together to come out of issues. I wish the Cambodian friends will work to fix those issues and will rejuvenate it soon.<div><br></div><div>
BR//Awal</div><div>ISOC BD Dhaka Chapter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Janvier Ngnoulaye <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:j.ngnoulaye@afrinic.net" target="_blank">j.ngnoulaye@afrinic.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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What a bad news !!!<br>
History will record that the current generation in Cambodia has left
die this Chapter, and published its death certificate.<br>
I'm still hoping that another new generation will come out from the
Internet community of Cambodia to resurrect that ISOC Chapter.<br>
Warm regards,<br>
/Janvier<br>
ISOC Cameroon Chapter<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 11/03/13 21:26, Chantra Be wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Dear All,</span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">On 26
October 2013, a meeting was held according
to Article XII of the Bylaws of the Cambodian
Chapter of the Internet Society:</span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0.18cm 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="en-US" align="JUSTIFY"> <font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Article
XII. - Dissolution of the Chapter</b></font></font></font></p>
<p style="margin:0.18cm 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="en-US" align="JUSTIFY"> <font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">1.
Dissolution of this Chapter by consent of the
members shall consist of unanimous agreement of all
its officers together with a majority vote at a
meeting which has been publicized in advance to all
members of the Chapter for the purpose of taking
this vote.</font></font></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="zxx"><span style="font-weight:normal">2. Should this
Chapter be dissolved, its assets shall be
transferred to ISOC International
Headquarters.</span></span></font></font></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><br>
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em">The
meeting had been called on 23 September 2013, stating:</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br>
“It is to propose – unless real and practical
alternatives are identified within the following month –
to call a meeting of all members of our Chapter for the
purpose of taking a vote to dissolve the ISOC Cambodia
Chapter.”</font></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><b>The meeting
decided to dissolve the ISOC Cambodia Chapter; this
decision becomes effective after the present
Announcement will have been sent out:</b></span></font></p>
<ul>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span style="line-height:1.4em">- to all members of the ISOC
Cambodia Chapter</span></li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span style="line-height:1.4em">- to the Chapter Delegates
list of ISOC</span></li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span style="line-height:1.4em">- to the Chairperson of the
Board of ISOC</span></li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><span style="line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="zxx">- to the ISOC Senior Director, Membership
& Services (You had written: “</span><span style="line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">If
the Cambodian Chapter wishes to rescind its ISOC
chapter status, a letter so stating to the APAC
Chapter Development manager is sufficient” - would you
please forward it there – or also to other persons in
ISOC beyond the APAC office who might want to know.)</span></li>
</ul>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em" lang="zxx"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em" lang="zxx">This decision was taken </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em" lang="zxx">drawing together the conclusions of the
correspondence with ISOC staff and ISOC Chapter
leaders: </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em" lang="zxx">we appreciate very much the many encouraging
comments from other Chapters, and we regret that the
expected correspondence from ISOC staff – regional and
central – was late, or not forthcoming at all, and not
proposing real and practical steps ahead.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"> <font face="Arial, sans-serif"><b>The
following is to be more specific:</b></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">In response to
the “Interim Information: Serious considerations to
dissolve the Cambodia ISOC Chapter” which </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">we</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> had sent to
you and to ISOC Chapter leaders and ISOC staff on 16
Oct 2013, we received the following response from Ted
Mooney - ISOC Senior Director, Membership &
Services – on 18 October 2013, under the Subject line
“Communication and moving forward with the ISOC
Cambodia Chapter.” <br>
<br>
I quote </span></font><em><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the mail from Ted Mooney
here in Italics</span></font></em><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">, to distinguish it from
comments from other Chapter leaders and from our own
side.<br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Dear Chantra Be,<br>
<br>
I've followed with great interest the responses from
Norbert Klein on the Chapter Delegates e-list. I
want you to know that I and many of us at ISOC have
thoroughly read your original email more than once
and the subsequent messages from Mr. Klein. I have
researched the claims made regarding the
correspondences between ISOC Staff and the Cambodian
Chapter and the outreach attempts made on both
sides. It is evident that Staff has a different
interpretation of the data than has the Chapter. It
is, in my opinion therefore, not constructive to
dwell on the past but to address the issues raised
in your message, once again. <br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
Ted Mooney refers again to outreach attempts
supposedly made by ISOC staff. <br>
<br>
This is not the first time such claims are made, and
therefore we had responded:</span></font></p>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-
We do not know “what has been communicated to” the ISOC
Senior Director, Membership & Services in this respect
– but the situation continues: neither the Singapore based
ISOC ASIA PACIFIC staff, nor the ISOC Chapter Development
Manager, Asia-Pacific, nor the ISOC Senior Director,
Membership & Services have responded to the detailed
content in the mail from our Secretary...</span><br>
<b style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-
But if such mail was sent and we did not receive it for
whatever reason – it would be appropriate to share it here
on the Chapters list.</b><br>
<ul>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><b style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><br>
</b></li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><b style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em">Instead
of using this opportunity to provide copies of such
mail, we received again just the same baseless claims.</b></li>
</ul>
<font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
More serious is that he says </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“It is, in my
opinion therefore, not constructive to dwell on the
past.”</span></font></em><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> - </span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">H</span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e </span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">had </span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">criticized our </span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">sharing of
concerns about the non-responsiveness of ISOC staff with
other Chapters and the Chairperson of the ISOC Board</span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> to be
unprofessional. </span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">H</span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e is continuing
to refuse to deal with serious problems. I repeat again
our mail </span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">which </span></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">related to one
of the two staff at the Asia Pacific Regional Office:<br>
<br>
= = =<br>
<br>
</span></font><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“ Dear Thip,<br>
</span></font></strong><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">After having
received your mail, rejecting our request to serious
discuss the crisis for our Chapter, created as a
result of the general situation and legal requirements
in Cambodia in the meeting, and the refusal to ISOC
staff to positively pay attention to our situation, we
do not think it would be appropriate to cooperate, as
a Chapter, with organizing a meeting for your 1 - 2.5
hours event, for which you would like to invite the
Members of the Cambodia Chapter and other non-Chapter
members. To discuss fundamental problems within ISOC,
affecting the whole membership, only among officers,
as you suggest (which has been tried in vain by email
so far) would not be in line with our history to
promote and practice open communication – high values
regularly lifted up among the goals of the Internet
Society world wide and in its slogan: the Internet is
for everyone.</span></font></strong><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
<br>
The situation and this response has been shared and
discussed with the Members of the Advisory Board of
our Chapter and is unanimously supported.<br>
<br>
Norbert Klein<br>
President, ISOC-KH<br>
<br>
</span></font></strong><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> The five
members of our Advisory Board at that time were
(reflecting the stipulation of our Bylaws “The Advisory
Board of five members, from important sections of the
ISOC Cambodia Chapter membership”):</span></font> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the Head of the
IT in Education Section in the Ministry of Education</span></font><br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the Editor in
Chief of a leading Cambodian daily newspaper, who is at
the same time President of the Club of Cambodian
Journalists</span></font><br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the President
and CEO of a major broadband providing ISP</span></font><br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">a senior staff
member in the office of the Council of Ministers of the
Government of Cambodia, and</span></font><br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">one student.</span></font><br>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">= = = <br>
<br>
We do not have much confidence in regional and central
staff of ISOC that has damaged the formerly good name of
ISOC in Cambodian society, and no word is seen from them
to apologize publicly or to rectify this – but instead
it is considered that we are unprofessional to raise
such unsolved problems. We do not think it is acceptable
that ISOC staff visits a country, refuses to discuss the
problems identified as important by a Chapter, holds her
own meeting to which she invited some people who said
they did not know an hour ago that ISOC exists – and she
encourages them to become members and run for leadership
in the elections one month later. And senior staff of
ISOC just keeps silent.</font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">The
Documentation Center of Cambodia - <a href="http://www.dccam.org" target="_blank">www.dccam.org</a>
– has in every mail originating from th</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">em</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> the sentence:<br>
<br>
</span></font><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“...a society cannot know itself if it
does not have an accurate memory of its own
history.”</span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"> <font face="Arial, sans-serif">The Internet
Society would do well to consider this also for itself,
on its way into a better future.<br>
</font><br>
<br>
</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Ted Mooney
continues:<br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><b>1.</b> Chapter by-laws. From various
correspondences and information sent to the Cambodia
Chapter, including examples of by-laws from other
chapters and stated flexibility to address the local
needs dating back to 2011, I would like to
re-iterate the flexibility of the Chapter By-laws
template to assure that agreed Chapter By-laws
account for all local laws and special circumstances
with respect to jurisdiction, foreign affiliation
and governance.<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
What he calls flexibility seems more to be a situation
of confusion in ISOC operations. It is obvious from
the correspondence on the Chapters list - that not all
Chapters have been made to accept what is now in our
Bylaws – but these problematic elements continue to be
on the ISOC website as “mandatory” elements. And while
he informs us that we are free to flexibly apply the
Chapters Bylaws template, </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">at the same
time </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“Renewal Chapter Charter letters” are going
out to be signed and returned by 15 December 2013,
including “chapter minimum standards” stating that if
a Chapter does not meet "one or more" a process of
“rejuvenation” will be initiated.<br>
<br>
One Chapter chair commented: “Somehow I miss all these
in the ISOC by-laws, but may be someone can enlighten
us?”<br>
<br>
There is obviously no clarity and broad agreement with
Chapters at present about the content and role of
Chapter Bylaws, as some of the Chapter </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Delegates</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> mails show –
with reference to a lot of time spent for nothing in
the past (</span></font><strong><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">highlighting added</span></font></strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> in our
quoting):<br>
</span></font><br>
<strong style="line-height:1.4em"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">-------- Original Message
-------- </span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Subject: Re:
[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: Renewal Internet Society
Chapter Charter<br>
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:44:09 +0200<br>
From: Klaus Birkenbihl <a href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de" target="_blank"><Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de></a><br>
Organization: Internet Society German Chapter e.V. (<a href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">ISOC.DE</a>)<br>
To: <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
...I also don't foresee much change in practice if
we sign the letter. Nevertheless it is the wrong
thing at the wrong time. During the last years when
chapters became more visible and active we discussed
so many beautiful things that could give support and
help to be more effective. E.g. Issue Trackers to
identify issues and track their resolution, Wikis to
support collaboration and many other things the
Internet holds that other groups use to do better
work. So next thing we expected to see was some
progress here.<br>
<br>
But instead of picking up e.g. the prototype that
was provided by Elena, we still lack reporting
facilities for projects and problems, collaboration
tools, we stick to the old work-intensive AMS to
exchange our member data … But what we get is
another version of the Letter of Affiliation.<br>
<br>
Please keep in mind: it is effort, money and time
that is provided by chapters members that is used to
do the work.<br>
<br>
Financial support by ISOC is rather marginal. (Did
you e.g ever manage to organize an event for $2000?
For our last event even the fee for the room was
higher.) Knowing that ISOC lacks the budget to pay
them, chapters - though complaining once and a while
- continue to work on this base.<br>
<br>
The Letter of Association says ISOC wants you to
perform such and such, wants to define a maximum
number of terms for office holders [is this really a
mission related concern?], and you need ["we believe
in numbers"] to have that many individual members,
[can it be summed-up with corporations? - AMS still
don't let me report corporate members] and so forth.
Read this while keeping in mind that its chapters
time, chapters money, chapters effort. Doesn't it
annoy you?<br>
<br>
I don't say we should be against the Letters of
Association but given the situation as it is - they
should be the result of negotiations and not a
headquarters dictatorship.<br>
<br>
Maybe the newly to be created Chapters Advisory
would be the group to develop a template that
fulfills 2 criteria:<br>
<br>
- it is balanced in terms of responsibility and
control, benefit and achievements<br>
- it allow</span></font></strong><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">s</span></font></strong><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> to be
adjusted to needs of individual chapters (e.g. those
with a commercial branch, or with corporate members,
or with a special focus like accessibility ...)<br>
<br>
Such Letter of Association could have a real effect.<br>
<br>
Klaus</span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">=</span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><b>2.</b> The
Chapter Administrative Support Working Group is now
meeting regularly to discuss various ways to address
Chapter issues regarding operational resources. As
you have noted from the discussion in this email
forum, there is a wide disparity of views and
therefore, multiple solutions may be piloted.<br>
<br>
It is regrettable that this has not come together as
quickly as the Cambodia Chapter has needed, so we
hope that you will reconsider your voluntary
de-chartering until there are more widely available
support options for you to evaluate. Please do keep
in mind that local self-sufficiency will always be a
key component of any operations resource strategy.<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
While local self-sufficiency is a broadly
understandable principle, the way this issue has been
treated so far seems to have seen this as a financial
affair. We have not seen response to the much more
complex situation, where many people in Cambodia have,
over the years and again recently, been
self-sufficient in providing their energy, their
health, their freedom, and in some cases their lives
in the struggle for justice and in the struggle to be
free to communicate about it. </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">A</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> lot of public
support, legal assistance, and care for victims, is
however not based on local finances, but is provided
by organizations and institutions extending external
solidarity funding support. <br>
<br>
We have shared information that communication
technology and information networks are fairly well
developed in Cambodia and there are working groups,
regular activities, IXPs, organized structures, </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Barcamps (the
most recent one a week ago with more than 2000
participants)</span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> – quite a number of the
ISOC Cambodia Chapter members provided leadership in
these fields. Our inquiry if ISOC could financially
assist in setting up and initially operating an office
was clearly related to the specific government
regulations (</span></font><strong><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">following the ISOC staff
guided Bylaw: “The Chapter shall be established as a
non-profit organization under the laws of Cambodia”</span></font></strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">).<br>
<br>
If ISOC staff considers financial </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“local
self-sufficiency [...] always be a key component of
any operations resource strategy”</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> we are out
for the time being.<br>
<br>
One comment on the Chapter list had said there is no
need for us to defend ourselves – ISOC staff may have
to defend themselves instead. We leave this open – but
if anybody is interested in our context, you may find
some more information about local contributions at the
Annex at the end of our Documentation to be sent out
separately. </span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">This material – voices from
the Chapters - may be of value for the work following
a recent ISOC Board decision that “</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="zxx">acknowledged
the right of Chapters to form an advisory group.”</span></font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><b>3.</b> We once again call upon the
Cambodia Chapter to a) participate with ISOC staff
in a conference call to speak forthrightly about the
issues you raise, b) participate in the regularly
scheduled Asia Chapter Webex calls in which most
other Asia chapters are now participating.
Regarding, a) above, we have noted your concern
that many Cambodia Chapter officers cannot attend a
call at one time for work-related and other
obligations. We are very willing to have multiple
calls to accommodate various schedules and to be
held at times that allow as many officers to attend
as possible.<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
We did not participate lately in such conference calls
or webinars as our experience over the years is that
such talks did not lead to much results. Especially
multiple sessions on the same subject ended up with
open questions: </span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">W</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">hat was really
discussed or decided? Email exchanges leave much
clearer records.<br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">On another note, there is currently a
Chapter workshop in Bali ahead of the IGF. I hope
the Cambodian representative will take the
opportunity to speak to Naveed ul Haq, Chapter
Development Manager for Asia, Joyce Dogniez Director
of Chapter Development and Raj Singh our Regional
Bureau Director. Such a conversation presents an
additional opportunity to resolve timing conflicts
and help us all get to a resolution of the issues.<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
Ted Mooney added: <br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“This is unfortunate as there is a travel
fellowship available for the each Asia Chapter to
attend in which expenses are covered. My assumption
was that surely you would take advantage of such
funding from ISOC particularly when your
representative would have a forum with ISOC
executives in which to discuss your specific issue.
Why did you chose not to attend?”<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
The fact that intensive communication on the Chapter
list, with several calls from various Chapter leaders
calling on ISOC staff – central and regional – to
respond to the contents of our mail did not result in
such responses, was not an indication that to meet in
Bali would provide the practical and timely responses
we were hoping for. </span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">W</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e did not want
to ask for such </span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">international </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">travel </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">support for
one person to talk to ISOC staff traveling to Bali to
talk about things for which the 90 ISOC staff and
advisors could not organize written responses in the
months and weeks before.</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
<br>
And finally, Ted Mooney said: <br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“Also, I think we needn't burden Chapter
Delegates with a lengthy and hopefully fruitful
conversation between us in email. I will no longer
be posting my responses to you to the entire list.” <br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
Here the ISOC Senior Director, Membership &
Services, is obviously not in line with the many
Chapter leaders who were interested and did actively
participate in the related discussions on the Chapters
list. As Ousmane MOUSSA TESSA from the Niger Chapter
wrote:</span></font></p>
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</span></font><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Hi all,<br>
+1 Veni! [Bulgaria]<br>
<br>
In my previous mail I tried to share a quiet simple
idea of the <br>
"ecosystem" of ISOC. Veni summarized what this
ecosystem must be. I'm just thinking it just a
global decentralized process, as Chapters don't be
considered as "subsidiaries" of company with an HQ
and Board of Trustees!<br>
<br>
BTW, I agree 200% with Veni about the fact, and
keeping in mind that "the strength of a chain is
based on the quality of its weakest link". <br>
Hence, let's support each other to move steadily and
forward a visible thread, so even the newcomers can
jump easy in one the various wagons of ISOC.<br>
<br>
Keep on talking, talking again, in the only aim to
... to sharpen our current and future actions and
overcome inherent difficulties of our Global
"institution".<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
<br>
Ousmane<br>
Niger Chapter<br>
</span></font></strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
We continue to share our communication.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"> <br>
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
are committed to the “basic values” for which many
persons around the world became members of the ISOC –
and it is our assumption that many of our present
Chapter members may want to continue to be members of
ISOC, for which they had to sign up before being able to
become members of a chapter.</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Probably there
will also be an informal fellowship of “Friends of the
Internet in Cambodia” - and there may be interest in the
future to see how the recent decisions of the ISOC Board
that<font size="3"> affirmed the role of chapters in the
governance and mission of the Internet Society will
work out, especially when a Chapters Advisory Group
will have done its work and hopefully the
clarification of the role and relation of staff and
chapters may lead to a new start of ISOC.</font></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
</span></font><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Be
Chantra</span><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
</span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px" lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><a href="mailto:chantra.be@gmail.com" target="_blank">chantra.be@gmail.com</a></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">(still)
Secretary of the </span><span lang="zxx">ISOC Cambodia
Chapter</span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">until this
announcement is sent out.</span></font></p>
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