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Dear Alexander,
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<div>thanks for telling us of this momentous step ISOC NL is taking.</div>
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<div>I find in particular great interest in that you are focussing on actions by the national government which seem to be outside national law and acting against the interests of at least some national citizens and residents. </div>
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<div>I also find it very useful that you are concentrating on the actual conduct - obtaining information without due process and outside full, documented compliance with the law - instead of the medium, which could be the Internet but more and more is also
being shown to be mobile and landline telephones as well.</div>
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<div>Thus this is aiming the spotlight at the right layer - human and institutional conduct - the right actors - those before whom you have full legal standing - and on the right phenomenon: "Snooping Governance" and not necessarily, or only, Internet Governance.</div>
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<div>This is not to say that Internet Governance is not the matter at all, but that there are issues to be solved in other layers which are really determinant of the whole.</div>
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<div>Yours,</div>
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<div>Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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<div id="divRpF766334" style="direction: ltr;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>Desde:</b> chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org [chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Alexander Blom [alexander.blom@budgetphone.nl]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 07 de noviembre de 2013 15:15<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> Chapter Delegates<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> [Chapter-delegates] Dutch lawyers and journalists (and ISOC NL) sue government over NSA links<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">All,<br>
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Yesterday, the Dutch ISOC chapter joined a coalition of citizens, criminal lawyers and journalists in order to sue the Dutch minister of the Interior. Subject are the halfhearted confessions that the Dutch secret service (the AIVD) may be using NSA-data to
illegally snoop on Dutch citizens. While the NSA data are illegal, the governement gives the impression that it considers the NSA to be a handy way to get around Dutch privacy laws. At ISOC NL, we felt that open internet means more than just the unobstructed
routing of IP packets, and that an internet where all exchange of data is under surveillance 24/7 cannot be called open.<br>
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Please see <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cnnmon.ie/1fmUiyN" target="_blank">
http://cnnmon.ie/1fmUiyN</a> for more.<br>
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There have been contributions from other chapters re this subject, let us continue sharing.<br>
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All the best,<br>
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Alex Blom<br>
ISOC NL<br>
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