I'd call everyone to leave aside or behind the passion. Passion is good - don't misunderstand me - but not on that subject. <div>I understand well the frustration of the chapters. AND I understand how the BoT functions, having served there for two mandates. </div>
<div>Trust me - we have tried everything in our means to shift the attention to the outstanding issues way back - 10 years ago. The very fact we are still discussing the same problems, IS a problem. </div><div>But, please, try not to use personal attacks. I've been told several times I have done that myself, and I've asked people to pardon my behavior - as sometimes even when we have good intentions, we may not express them in the best possible way. But I really believe we - chapters, staff, Trustees - should not engage in hostility against each other. A) That's not good, B) it is counterproductive, and. C) it will take a lot of time to heal the wounds. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Hope that this is helpful - </div><div><br></div><div><span></span><br><br>On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Ted Mooney wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This is the only response I will make to this list on what has been the<br>
first personal attack on my character and good faith in my professional<br>
career.<br>
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For the record, Alan and I spent a good part of a day in person discussing<br>
the ISOC Members in Guateng who were trying to put an event together and<br>
looked to Alan for support. For whatever reason that support never<br>
materialized according to these members and they expressed their desire to<br>
form their own chapter. Before I would encourage them I spoke to Alan and<br>
asked him directly if he would support a separate chapter since the<br>
nurturing and training of the Gauteng members was, in his words, too much<br>
work to train and supervise them" for him or presumably the ZA chapter.<br>
Alan assured me he was fine with that so long as ISOC ZA maintained<br>
leadership within South Africa. I agreed and only then did I give the<br>
go-ahead for the application process for a Gauteng Chapter. The next time<br>
I communicated this to Alan he told me I was out of my mind, that he never<br>
said such a thing and that I was out to subvert the ZA chapter. I was<br>
astonished and offered twice to connect directly by voice to overcome this<br>
communication breakdown. He refused and went silent to me.<br>
<br>
With respect to observing the netiquette, I admit to mistakes within my<br>
department and others, which I have now corrected internally, including<br>
having established rules of email protocol for our lists and for our<br>
membership communications. I thanked Alan for this and for guiding me.<br>
<br>
Regarding Alan's second point, the project he sent me to in Johannesburg,<br>
I was highly thankful and encouraged by what I saw and again thanked him.<br>
I'm unclear how my 'dishonesty' manifested in this case.<br>
<br>
People of good faith and interest can often have differing views,<br>
miscommunications and a falling out. It is how they react afterward that<br>
is the measure of character and leadership.<br>
<br>
To Alan, I reiterate my prior offers to speak directly in order to 1) try<br>
to resolve our miscommunication and 2)find a way to assist ISOC ZA in a<br>
fashion consistent with your independence and needs. I do not wage war on<br>
chapters. I am a voice and manager within ISOC for the greater support of<br>
Chapters.<br>
<br>
Lastly, personal attacks on this list are inconsistent with the spirit and<br>
purpose of the Chapter Delegates list, and with the very netiquette I'm<br>
accused of ignoring. Regardless whether it is staff or a chapter member,<br>
this list is meant for civil, professional discourse. Everyone will<br>
benefit from this.<br>
<br>
With special regards,<br>
<br>
Ted<br>
Ted Mooney<br>
Senior Director, Membership & Services<br>
The Internet Society<br>
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On 11/6/13 6:37 AM, "Alan Levin" <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'alan@isoc.org.za')">alan@isoc.org.za</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Dear Veni,<br>
><br>
>On 05 Nov 2013, at 8:49 PM, Veni Markovski <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'veni@veni.com')">veni@veni.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> You are right. The staffers are good people. I'd say - amazingly good<br>
>>people.<br>
><br>
>I am so sorry as in the past I would always have agreed with this<br>
>comment. Sadly, after spending more than a calendar day in various<br>
>discussions with Ted Mooney in Durban a few months ago, I found him to<br>
>have been dishonest with me. I would not state this in such a public<br>
>forum unless I was entirely convinced on three bases, 1. regarding ISOC<br>
>Gauteng, 2. regarding a visit to ISOC projects in Gauteng that I sent him<br>
>to, and 3. regarding a commitment to observing netiquette.<br>
><br>
>I have told Ted that cannot trust him and that I believe he is waging a<br>
>war against ISOC-ZA yet he persists. Sadly he is in charge of ISOCs<br>
>position on all of us :(<br>
><br>
>On the other hand I've had a few discussion with the Trustees and I<br>
>believe that they are fully aware of the issues and are fully supportive<br>
>of the Chapters needs. I expect that with the new CEO we will see<br>
>dissolution of the 'bureaus' and additional global policy analysts that<br>
>will be available to assist us with policy issues at national or regional<br>
>levels.<br>
><br>
>Sincerely<br>
><br>
>Alan<br>
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