<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>Cross Cultural is an issue. Folklore is cross cultural also.</div><div><br></div><div>International Relations experience and knowledge on legal issues are a must.</div><div><br></div><div>Staff must work according to policies but WE MUST be able to influence that policies from HQ inside. </div><div><br></div><div>Are our representatives on Board and other bodies doing their job?</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos Vera<br><br><div>Internet Society Ecuador</div><div><a href="http://www.isoc.org.ec">www.isoc.org.ec</a></div>Síguenos @isocec</div><div><br>El 05/11/2013, a las 13:49, Veni Markovski <<a href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">You are right. The
staffers are good people. I'd say - amazingly good people. <br>
<br>
What has happened (and none of us is a part of it, so we don't
know all details) is a sad page in the ISOC history. The HQ has to
look with more patience and attention in cross-cultural issues. I
am sure the relevant staff would know what's going on, and
hopefully someone at the BoT would ask the right questions, and
find out.<br>
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v. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/05/13 13:43, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@isoc.org.ec">info@isoc.org.ec</a>
wrote:<br>
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incomplete. Here the complete version</div>
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<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Maybe the problem
is not staff by guidelines and policies they follow. <br>
<br>
Sometimes we look for actions where there is no option to act,</span></div>
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<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">So we must work
on policies, resources and responsibilities and the ask staff
to follow</span></div>
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<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Staff are
employees they do their work. Am I right?</span></div>
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<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Carlos Vera</span></div>
<div><br>
<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Internet Society
Ecuador</div>
<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.isoc.org.ec">www.isoc.org.ec</a></div>
<span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Síguenos @isocec</span></div>
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El 05/11/2013, a las 12:57, Ted Mooney <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org">mooney@isoc.org</a>>
escribió:<br>
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<div>I think it is important to say here that all of
Membership & Services staff are quite saddened by the
decision of the ISOC Cambodia Chapter to dissociate from The
Internet Society. I see there are many who take the view
that Chapters are treated with indifference or worse by ISOC
staff, yet others have found Staff to be not only helpful,
but enthusiastic in their support for chapters and the
opportunities to overcome obstacles together. Why is this?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm aware of a number of such opportunities for the
Cambodia Chapter and ISOC to look together at solutions.
That none of these were satisfactory is very unfortunate.
It may be that when a single solution is all that will be
accommodated, it is difficult to arrive at a win-win. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am personally amazed at how much chapters are able to
accomplish and how much good they do for the Internet as we
all want it to progress. And the Internet Society is
absolutely unique in its contributions to research,
technical advocacy, policy development, coalition building
and community support. Which must be why, despite the many
voiced misgivings, you all remain members, leaders and team
mates. Please do not stop now.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Changes are coming as we all know. Some sooner rather
than later. I've voiced my optimism for the work of the
Chapter Administrative support Working Group as well as the
Chapter Advisory Council all led by Chapter leaders and
supported by ISOC Staff. It is also clear that there are
constraints of framework, culture and infrastructure not
only from region to region but from country to country that
we acknowledge and seek to address head-on with flexible and
multifaceted solutions. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree there has been enough talk. Actions must follow
- good faith action from each and everyone of us.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Respectfully,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Ted Mooney</div>
<div>Senior Director, Membership & Services</div>
<div>The Internet Society</div>
<div>1775 Wiehle Avenue</div>
<div>Reston, VA 20190 USA</div>
<div>Office: +1 703-439-2774</div>
<div>Cell: +1 301-980-6446</div>
<div>eMail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org">mooney@isoc.org</a></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Talha Habib
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tali2leo@gmail.com">tali2leo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday,
November 5, 2013 1:14 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Glenn McKnight
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:contact@internetsociety.ca">contact@internetsociety.ca</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>ISOC Chapter
Delegates <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[Chapter-delegates] Trustees! not staff! Re: Announcement
about the dissolution of ISOC-KH<br>
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<p dir="ltr">+1 Glenn</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thank you<br>
--<br>
Warm Regards,<br>
Talha Habib</p>
<p dir="ltr">* Sent from Galaxy Note</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 5, 2013 8:53 PM, "Glenn
McKnight" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:contact@internetsociety.ca">contact@internetsociety.ca</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All
<div>It's interesting reading this forum how many
of the writers are dissatisified with the staff
performance and in particular with the Chapter
MOU. </div>
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</div>
<div>Perhaps we need to do some metrics and have
a survey completed by an independent group to
everyone on the performance of ISOC from Top to
Bottom. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some of the poison pen stuff and finger
pointing isn't helpful and it's getting people's
backs up. We should be working colloboratively
and building a positive spirit but reading this
delegate list it's a bit disconcerting. </div>
<div><br>
Glenn</div>
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<div>Glenn McKnight<br>
Membership Outeach<br>
<div>ISOC Canada Chapter</div>
<div>skype gmcknight</div>
<div>"The Internet is for Everyone"</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at
5:48 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <span dir="ltr">
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Actually I think it is the Trustees who need
to wake up and smell the<br>
coffee. We in part elect them. They are our
representatives.<br>
<br>
I am not clear what Trustees want to achieve
with a network of chapters<br>
as part of the new mission based ISOC
organisation. I hope Trustees will<br>
set out some thoughts and ideas for what they
want for chapters and set<br>
out a process including chapters directly to
establish a plan how that<br>
can be optimally implemented.<br>
<br>
The recent letter we all received had more
than an attitudinal tinge of<br>
"sign and shut up" about it which is not
helpful if you genuinely want<br>
partners around the world defining and
delivering your mission. It may<br>
be that the trustees want to act only through
the staff and see chapters<br>
as a way to spread the footprint to elect some
trustees and do some<br>
fringe activities convening local people. If
that is the case then make<br>
that clear please.<br>
<br>
I genuinely need to know what the trustees
want with chapters. I don't<br>
need the whole journey defined before
Christmas but it would be helpful<br>
to get sight of the first steps at least and a
vision for how "we" can<br>
define the journey, so by this time next year
there is clarity.<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
> David Solomonoff <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:president@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank">president@isoc-ny.org</a>><br>
> 5 November 2013 03:12<br>
> This is tragic - both for Cambodia's
netizens (past, present and<br>
> future) and for ISOC.<br>
><br>
> It will have long-term negative
consequences for the global<br>
> organization in ways that are hard to
anticipate. But first and<br>
> foremost will be the temptation for other
Chapters to dissolve or<br>
> dissociate whenever there is
disagreement.<br>
><br>
> If other Chapters follow a similar path,
the credibility - and even<br>
> the viability - of ISOC will be severely
damaged.<br>
><br>
> The ISOC staff who allowed this to happen
have made a grievous error.<br>
><br>
> Sincerely,<br>
><br>
> David<br>
><br>
> On 11/03/2013 09:26 PM, Chantra Be wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> David Solomonoff, President<br>
> Internet Society of New York<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:president@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank">president@isoc-ny.org</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://isoc-ny.org" target="_blank">isoc-ny.org</a><br>
>
_______________________________________________<br>
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer
you are automatically subscribed<br>
> to this list, which is regularly
synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://portal.isoc.org" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
> Chantra Be <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chantra.be@gmail.com" target="_blank">chantra.be@gmail.com</a>><br>
> 4 November 2013 02:26<br>
><br>
> *Dear All,*<br>
><br>
> *On 26 October 2013, a meeting was held
according to Article XII of<br>
> the Bylaws of the Cambodian Chapter of
the Internet Society:*<br>
><br>
> *Article XII. - Dissolution of the
Chapter*<br>
><br>
> 1. Dissolution of this Chapter by consent
of the members shall consist<br>
> of unanimous agreement of all its
officers together with a majority<br>
> vote at a meeting which has been
publicized in advance to all members<br>
> of the Chapter for the purpose of taking
this vote.<br>
><br>
> *2. Should this Chapter be dissolved, its
assets shall be transferred<br>
> to ISOC International Headquarters.*<br>
><br>
><br>
> The meeting had been called on 23
September 2013, stating:<br>
><br>
><br>
> “It is to propose – unless real and
practical alternatives are<br>
> identified within the following month –
to call a meeting of all<br>
> members of our Chapter for the purpose of
taking a vote to dissolve<br>
> the ISOC Cambodia Chapter.”<br>
><br>
><br>
> *The meeting decided to dissolve the ISOC
Cambodia Chapter; this<br>
> decision becomes effective after the
present Announcement will have<br>
> been sent out:*<br>
><br>
> * - to all members of the ISOC Cambodia
Chapter<br>
> * - to the Chapter Delegates list of
ISOC<br>
> * - to the Chairperson of the Board of
ISOC<br>
> * - to the ISOC Senior Director,
Membership & Services (You had<br>
> written: “If the Cambodian Chapter
wishes to rescind its ISOC<br>
> chapter status, a letter so stating
to the APAC Chapter<br>
> Development manager is sufficient” -
would you please forward it<br>
> there – or also to other persons in
ISOC beyond the APAC office<br>
> who might want to know.)<br>
><br>
><br>
> This decision was taken drawing together
the conclusions of the<br>
> correspondence with ISOC staff and ISOC
Chapter leaders: we appreciate<br>
> very much the many encouraging comments
from other Chapters, and we<br>
> regret that the expected correspondence
from ISOC staff – regional and<br>
> central – was late, or not forthcoming at
all, and not proposing real<br>
> and practical steps ahead.<br>
><br>
><br>
> *The following is to be more specific:*<br>
><br>
> In response to the “Interim Information:
Serious considerations to<br>
> dissolve the Cambodia ISOC Chapter” which
wehad sent to you and to<br>
> ISOC Chapter leaders and ISOC staff on 16
Oct 2013, we received the<br>
> following response from Ted Mooney - ISOC
Senior Director, Membership<br>
> & Services – on 18 October 2013,
under the Subject line “Communication<br>
> and moving forward with the ISOC Cambodia
Chapter.”<br>
><br>
> I quote /the mail from Ted Mooney here in
Italics/, to distinguish it<br>
> from comments from other Chapter leaders
and from our own side.<br>
><br>
> /Dear Chantra Be,<br>
><br>
> I've followed with great interest the
responses from Norbert Klein on<br>
> the Chapter Delegates e-list. I want you
to know that I and many of us<br>
> at ISOC have thoroughly read your
original email more than once and<br>
> the subsequent messages from Mr. Klein. I
have researched the claims<br>
> made regarding the correspondences
between ISOC Staff and the<br>
> Cambodian Chapter and the outreach
attempts made on both sides. It is<br>
> evident that Staff has a different
interpretation of the data than has<br>
> the Chapter. It is, in my opinion
therefore, not constructive to dwell<br>
> on the past but to address the issues
raised in your message, once again.<br>
> /<br>
> Ted Mooney refers again to outreach
attempts supposedly made by ISOC<br>
> staff.<br>
><br>
> This is not the first time such claims
are made, and therefore we had<br>
> responded:<br>
><br>
> - We do not know “what has been
communicated to” the ISOC Senior<br>
> Director, Membership & Services in
this respect – but the situation<br>
> continues: neither the Singapore based
ISOC ASIA PACIFIC staff, nor<br>
> the ISOC Chapter Development Manager,
Asia-Pacific, nor the ISOC<br>
> Senior Director, Membership &
Services have responded to the detailed<br>
> content in the mail from our Secretary...<br>
> *- But if such mail was sent and we did
not receive it for whatever<br>
> reason – it would be appropriate to share
it here on the Chapters list.*<br>
><br>
> * *<br>
> *<br>
> * *Instead of using this opportunity to
provide copies of such mail,<br>
> we received again just the same
baseless claims.*<br>
><br>
><br>
> More serious is that he says /“It is, in
my opinion therefore, not<br>
> constructive to dwell on the past.”/- He
had criticized our sharing of<br>
> concerns about the non-responsiveness of
ISOC staff with other<br>
> Chapters and the Chairperson of the ISOC
Boardto be unprofessional. He<br>
> is continuing to refuse to deal with
serious problems. I repeat again<br>
> our mail which related to one of the two
staff at the Asia Pacific<br>
> Regional Office:<br>
><br>
> = = =<br>
><br>
> *“ Dear Thip,<br>
> **After having received your mail,
rejecting our request to serious<br>
> discuss the crisis for our Chapter,
created as a result of the general<br>
> situation and legal requirements in
Cambodia in the meeting, and the<br>
> refusal to ISOC staff to positively pay
attention to our situation, we<br>
> do not think it would be appropriate to
cooperate, as a Chapter, with<br>
> organizing a meeting for your 1 - 2.5
hours event, for which you would<br>
> like to invite the Members of the
Cambodia Chapter and other<br>
> non-Chapter members. To discuss
fundamental problems within ISOC,<br>
> affecting the whole membership, only
among officers, as you suggest<br>
> (which has been tried in vain by email so
far) would not be in line<br>
> with our history to promote and practice
open communication – high<br>
> values regularly lifted up among the
goals of the Internet Society<br>
> world wide and in its slogan: the
Internet is for everyone.**<br>
><br>
> The situation and this response has been
shared and discussed with the<br>
> Members of the Advisory Board of our
Chapter and is unanimously supported.<br>
><br>
> Norbert Klein<br>
> President, ISOC-KH<br>
><br>
> *The five members of our Advisory Board
at that time were (reflecting<br>
> the stipulation of our Bylaws “The
Advisory Board of five members,<br>
> from important sections of the ISOC
Cambodia Chapter membership”):<br>
><br>
> - the Head of the IT in Education Section
in the Ministry of Education<br>
> - the Editor in Chief of a leading
Cambodian daily newspaper, who is<br>
> at the same time President of the Club of
Cambodian Journalists<br>
> - the President and CEO of a major
broadband providing ISP<br>
> - a senior staff member in the office of
the Council of Ministers of<br>
> the Government of Cambodia, and<br>
> - one student.<br>
><br>
> = = =<br>
><br>
> We do not have much confidence in
regional and central staff of ISOC<br>
> that has damaged the formerly good name
of ISOC in Cambodian society,<br>
> and no word is seen from them to
apologize publicly or to rectify this<br>
> – but instead it is considered that we
are unprofessional to raise<br>
> such unsolved problems. We do not think
it is acceptable that ISOC<br>
> staff visits a country, refuses to
discuss the problems identified as<br>
> important by a Chapter, holds her own
meeting to which she invited<br>
> some people who said they did not know an
hour ago that ISOC exists –<br>
> and she encourages them to become members
and run for leadership in<br>
> the elections one month later. And senior
staff of ISOC just keeps silent.<br>
><br>
> The Documentation Center of Cambodia - <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.dccam.org" target="_blank">
www.dccam.org</a><br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.dccam.org" target="_blank">http://www.dccam.org</a>>
– has in every mail originating from themthe<br>
> sentence:<br>
><br>
> *“...a society cannot know itself if it
does not have an accurate<br>
> memory of its own history.”*<br>
><br>
> The Internet Society would do well to
consider this also for itself,<br>
> on its way into a better future.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ted Mooney continues:<br>
><br>
> /*1.* Chapter by-laws. From various
correspondences and information<br>
> sent to the Cambodia Chapter, including
examples of by-laws from other<br>
> chapters and stated flexibility to
address the local needs dating back<br>
> to 2011, I would like to re-iterate the
flexibility of the Chapter<br>
> By-laws template to assure that agreed
Chapter By-laws account for all<br>
> local laws and special circumstances with
respect to jurisdiction,<br>
> foreign affiliation and governance.<br>
> /<br>
> What he calls flexibility seems more to
be a situation of confusion in<br>
> ISOC operations. It is obvious from the
correspondence on the Chapters<br>
> list - that not all Chapters have been
made to accept what is now in<br>
> our Bylaws – but these problematic
elements continue to be on the ISOC<br>
> website as “mandatory” elements. And
while he informs us that we are<br>
> free to flexibly apply the Chapters
Bylaws template, at the same time<br>
> “Renewal Chapter Charter letters” are
going out to be signed and<br>
> returned by 15 December 2013, including
“chapter minimum standards”<br>
> stating that if a Chapter does not meet
"one or more" a process of<br>
> “rejuvenation” will be initiated.<br>
><br>
> One Chapter chair commented: “Somehow I
miss all these in the ISOC<br>
> by-laws, but may be someone can enlighten
us?”<br>
><br>
> There is obviously no clarity and broad
agreement with Chapters at<br>
> present about the content and role of
Chapter Bylaws, as some of the<br>
> Chapter Delegatesmails show – with
reference to a lot of time spent<br>
> for nothing in the past (*highlighting
added*in our quoting):<br>
><br>
> *-------- Original Message -------- *<br>
><br>
> *Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Fwd:
Renewal Internet Society<br>
> Chapter Charter<br>
> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:44:09 +0200<br>
> From: Klaus Birkenbihl <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de">Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de</a>><br>
> Organization: Internet Society German
Chapter e.V. (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">ISOC.DE</a><br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">http://ISOC.DE</a>>)<br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>><br>
><br>
><br>
> ...I also don't foresee much change in
practice if we sign the letter.<br>
> Nevertheless it is the wrong thing at the
wrong time. During the last<br>
> years when chapters became more visible
and active we discussed so<br>
> many beautiful things that could give
support and help to be more<br>
> effective. E.g. Issue Trackers to
identify issues and track their<br>
> resolution, Wikis to support
collaboration and many other things the<br>
> Internet holds that other groups use to
do better work. So next thing<br>
> we expected to see was some progress
here.<br>
><br>
> But instead of picking up e.g. the
prototype that was provided by<br>
> Elena, we still lack reporting facilities
for projects and problems,<br>
> collaboration tools, we stick to the old
work-intensive AMS to<br>
> exchange our member data … But what we
get is another version of the<br>
> Letter of Affiliation.<br>
><br>
> Please keep in mind: it is effort, money
and time that is provided by<br>
> chapters members that is used to do the
work.<br>
><br>
> Financial support by ISOC is rather
marginal. (Did you e.g ever manage<br>
> to organize an event for $2000? For our
last event even the fee for<br>
> the room was higher.) Knowing that ISOC
lacks the budget to pay them,<br>
> chapters - though complaining once and a
while - continue to work on<br>
> this base.<br>
><br>
> The Letter of Association says ISOC wants
you to perform such and<br>
> such, wants to define a maximum number of
terms for office holders [is<br>
> this really a mission related concern?],
and you need ["we believe in<br>
> numbers"] to have that many individual
members, [can it be summed-up<br>
> with corporations? - AMS still don't let
me report corporate members]<br>
> and so forth. Read this while keeping in
mind that its chapters time,<br>
> chapters money, chapters effort. Doesn't
it annoy you?<br>
><br>
> I don't say we should be against the
Letters of Association but given<br>
> the situation as it is - they should be
the result of negotiations and<br>
> not a headquarters dictatorship.<br>
><br>
> Maybe the newly to be created Chapters
Advisory would be the group to<br>
> develop a template that fulfills 2
criteria:<br>
><br>
> - it is balanced in terms of
responsibility and control, benefit and<br>
> achievements<br>
> - it allow**s**to be adjusted to needs of
individual chapters (e.g.<br>
> those with a commercial branch, or with
corporate members, or with a<br>
> special focus like accessibility ...)<br>
><br>
> Such Letter of Association could have a
real effect.<br>
><br>
> Klaus*<br>
><br>
> *=*<br>
><br>
> /*2.* The Chapter Administrative Support
Working Group is now meeting<br>
> regularly to discuss various ways to
address Chapter issues regarding<br>
> operational resources. As you have noted
from the discussion in this<br>
> email forum, there is a wide disparity of
views and therefore,<br>
> multiple solutions may be piloted.<br>
><br>
> It is regrettable that this has not come
together as quickly as the<br>
> Cambodia Chapter has needed, so we hope
that you will reconsider your<br>
> voluntary de-chartering until there are
more widely available support<br>
> options for you to evaluate. Please do
keep in mind that local<br>
> self-sufficiency will always be a key
component of any operations<br>
> resource strategy.<br>
> /<br>
> While local self-sufficiency is a broadly
understandable principle,<br>
> the way this issue has been treated so
far seems to have seen this as<br>
> a financial affair. We have not seen
response to the much more complex<br>
> situation, where many people in Cambodia
have, over the years and<br>
> again recently, been self-sufficient in
providing their energy, their<br>
> health, their freedom, and in some cases
their lives in the struggle<br>
> for justice and in the struggle to be
free to communicate about it.<br>
> Alot of public support, legal assistance,
and care for victims, is<br>
> however not based on local finances, but
is provided by organizations<br>
> and institutions extending external
solidarity funding support.<br>
><br>
> We have shared information that
communication technology and<br>
> information networks are fairly well
developed in Cambodia and there<br>
> are working groups, regular activities,
IXPs, organized structures,<br>
> Barcamps (the most recent one a week ago
with more than 2000<br>
> participants)– quite a number of the ISOC
Cambodia Chapter members<br>
> provided leadership in these fields. Our
inquiry if ISOC could<br>
> financially assist in setting up and
initially operating an office was<br>
> clearly related to the specific
government regulations (*following the<br>
> ISOC staff guided Bylaw: “The Chapter
shall be established as a<br>
> non-profit organization under the laws of
Cambodia”*).<br>
><br>
> If ISOC staff considers financial /“local
self-sufficiency [...]<br>
> always be a key component of any
operations resource strategy”/we are<br>
> out for the time being.<br>
><br>
> One comment on the Chapter list had said
there is no need for us to<br>
> defend ourselves – ISOC staff may have to
defend themselves instead.<br>
> We leave this open – but if anybody is
interested in our context, you<br>
> may find some more information about
local contributions at the Annex<br>
> at the end of our Documentation to be
sent out separately. This<br>
> material – voices from the Chapters - may
be of value for the work<br>
> following a recent ISOC Board decision
that “acknowledged the right of<br>
> Chapters to form an advisory group.”<br>
><br>
> /*3.* We once again call upon the
Cambodia Chapter to a) participate<br>
> with ISOC staff in a conference call to
speak forthrightly about the<br>
> issues you raise, b) participate in the
regularly scheduled Asia<br>
> Chapter Webex calls in which most other
Asia chapters are now<br>
> participating. Regarding, a) above, we
have noted your concern that<br>
> many Cambodia Chapter officers cannot
attend a call at one time for<br>
> work-related and other obligations. We
are very willing to have<br>
> multiple calls to accommodate various
schedules and to be held at<br>
> times that allow as many officers to
attend as possible.<br>
> /<br>
> We did not participate lately in such
conference calls or webinars as<br>
> our experience over the years is that
such talks did not lead to much<br>
> results. Especially multiple sessions on
the same subject ended up<br>
> with open questions: What was really
discussed or decided? Email<br>
> exchanges leave much clearer records.<br>
><br>
> /On another note, there is currently a
Chapter workshop in Bali ahead<br>
> of the IGF. I hope the Cambodian
representative will take the<br>
> opportunity to speak to Naveed ul Haq,
Chapter Development Manager for<br>
> Asia, Joyce Dogniez Director of Chapter
Development and Raj Singh our<br>
> Regional Bureau Director. Such a
conversation presents an additional<br>
> opportunity to resolve timing conflicts
and help us all get to a<br>
> resolution of the issues.<br>
> /<br>
> Ted Mooney added:<br>
><br>
> /“This is unfortunate as there is a
travel fellowship available for<br>
> the each Asia Chapter to attend in which
expenses are covered. My<br>
> assumption was that surely you would take
advantage of such funding<br>
> from ISOC particularly when your
representative would have a forum<br>
> with ISOC executives in which to discuss
your specific issue. Why did<br>
> you chose not to attend?”<br>
> /<br>
> The fact that intensive communication on
the Chapter list, with<br>
> several calls from various Chapter
leaders calling on ISOC staff –<br>
> central and regional – to respond to the
contents of our mail did not<br>
> result in such responses, was not an
indication that to meet in Bali<br>
> would provide the practical and timely
responses we were hoping for.<br>
> We did not want to ask for such
international travel support for one<br>
> person to talk to ISOC staff traveling to
Bali to talk about things<br>
> for which the 90 ISOC staff and advisors
could not organize written<br>
> responses in the months and weeks before.<br>
><br>
> And finally, Ted Mooney said:<br>
><br>
> /“Also, I think we needn't burden Chapter
Delegates with a lengthy and<br>
> hopefully fruitful conversation between
us in email. I will no longer<br>
> be posting my responses to you to the
entire list.”<br>
> /<br>
> Here the ISOC Senior Director, Membership
& Services, is obviously not<br>
> in line with the many Chapter leaders who
were interested and did<br>
> actively participate in the related
discussions on the Chapters list.<br>
> As Ousmane MOUSSA TESSA from the Niger
Chapter wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> *Hi all,<br>
> +1 Veni! [Bulgaria]<br>
><br>
> In my previous mail I tried to share a
quiet simple idea of the<br>
> "ecosystem" of ISOC. Veni summarized what
this ecosystem must be. I'm<br>
> just thinking it just a global
decentralized process, as Chapters<br>
> don't be considered as "subsidiaries" of
company with an HQ and Board<br>
> of Trustees!<br>
><br>
> BTW, I agree 200% with Veni about the
fact, and keeping in mind that<br>
> "the strength of a chain is based on the
quality of its weakest link".<br>
> Hence, let's support each other to move
steadily and forward a visible<br>
> thread, so even the newcomers can jump
easy in one the various wagons<br>
> of ISOC.<br>
><br>
> Keep on talking, talking again, in the
only aim to ... to sharpen our<br>
> current and future actions and overcome
inherent difficulties of our<br>
> Global "institution".<br>
><br>
> All the best<br>
><br>
> Ousmane<br>
> Niger Chapter<br>
> *<br>
> We continue to share our communication.<br>
><br>
><br>
> We are committed to the “basic values”
for which many persons around<br>
> the world became members of the ISOC –
and it is our assumption that<br>
> many of our present Chapter members may
want to continue to be members<br>
> of ISOC, for which they had to sign up
before being able to become<br>
> members of a chapter.<br>
><br>
> Probably there will also be an informal
fellowship of “Friends of the<br>
> Internet in Cambodia” - and there may be
interest in the future to see<br>
> how the recent decisions of the ISOC
Board thataffirmed the role of<br>
> chapters in the governance and mission of
the Internet Society will<br>
> work out, especially when a Chapters
Advisory Group will have done its<br>
> work and hopefully the clarification of
the role and relation of staff<br>
> and chapters may lead to a new start of
ISOC.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Be Chantra<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chantra.be@gmail.com" target="_blank">chantra.be@gmail.com</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chantra.be@gmail.com" target="_blank">chantra.be@gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>
> (still) Secretary of the ISOC Cambodia
Chapter<br>
><br>
> until this announcement is sent out.<br>
><br>
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