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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">This is extremely bad
news. I am so sorry to hear it, and to read also you didn't get
adequate support from ISOC HQ. This is, I believe, the first time,
when a chapter seizes to exist in such a way.<br>
<br>
Veni :-( <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/03/13 21:26, Chantra Be wrote:<br>
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face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Dear All,</span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">On 26 October
2013, a meeting was held according to Article XII of
the Bylaws of the Cambodian Chapter of the Internet
Society:</span></font></strong></p>
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<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3"><b>Article XII. - Dissolution of the Chapter</b></font></font></font></p>
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<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">1. Dissolution of this Chapter by consent of
the members shall consist of unanimous agreement of
all its officers together with a majority vote at a
meeting which has been publicized in advance to all
members of the Chapter for the purpose of taking this
vote.</font></font></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3"><span lang="zxx"><span
style="font-weight:normal">2. Should this
Chapter be dissolved, its assets shall be
transferred to ISOC International Headquarters.</span></span></font></font></font></strong></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx"><br>
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em">The
meeting had been called on 23 September 2013, stating:</span></p>
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lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br>
“It is to propose – unless real and practical alternatives
are identified within the following month – to call a
meeting of all members of our Chapter for the purpose of
taking a vote to dissolve the ISOC Cambodia Chapter.”</font></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><b>The meeting
decided to dissolve the ISOC Cambodia Chapter; this
decision becomes effective after the present
Announcement will have been sent out:</b></span></font></p>
<ul
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;list-style:none;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Myriad
Pro',Myriad,'Lucida
Grande',Geneva,Arial,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px">
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span
style="line-height:1.4em">- to all members of the ISOC
Cambodia Chapter</span></li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span
style="line-height:1.4em">- to the Chapter Delegates
list of ISOC</span></li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span
style="line-height:1.4em">- to the Chairperson of the
Board of ISOC</span></li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><span
style="line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"
lang="zxx">- to the ISOC Senior Director, Membership
& Services (You had written: “</span><span
style="line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">If
the Cambodian Chapter wishes to rescind its ISOC chapter
status, a letter so stating to the APAC Chapter
Development manager is sufficient” - would you please
forward it there – or also to other persons in ISOC
beyond the APAC office who might want to know.)</span></li>
</ul>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"
lang="zxx"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"
lang="zxx">This decision was taken </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"
lang="zxx">drawing together the conclusions of the
correspondence with ISOC staff and ISOC Chapter leaders: </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"
lang="zxx">we appreciate very much the many encouraging
comments from other Chapters, and we regret that the
expected correspondence from ISOC staff – regional and
central – was late, or not forthcoming at all, and not
proposing real and practical steps ahead.</span></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
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lang="zxx">
<font face="Arial, sans-serif"><b>The following is to be
more specific:</b></font></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">In response to
the “Interim Information: Serious considerations to
dissolve the Cambodia ISOC Chapter” which </span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">we</span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> had sent to you
and to ISOC Chapter leaders and ISOC staff on 16 Oct
2013, we received the following response from Ted Mooney
- ISOC Senior Director, Membership & Services – on
18 October 2013, under the Subject line “Communication
and moving forward with the ISOC Cambodia Chapter.” <br>
<br>
I quote </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">the mail from Ted Mooney here in Italics</span></font></em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">, to distinguish
it from comments from other Chapter leaders and from our
own side.<br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">Dear Chantra Be,<br>
<br>
I've followed with great interest the responses from
Norbert Klein on the Chapter Delegates e-list. I want
you to know that I and many of us at ISOC have
thoroughly read your original email more than once and
the subsequent messages from Mr. Klein. I have
researched the claims made regarding the
correspondences between ISOC Staff and the Cambodian
Chapter and the outreach attempts made on both sides.
It is evident that Staff has a different
interpretation of the data than has the Chapter. It
is, in my opinion therefore, not constructive to dwell
on the past but to address the issues raised in your
message, once again. <br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
Ted Mooney refers again to outreach attempts supposedly
made by ISOC staff. <br>
<br>
This is not the first time such claims are made, and
therefore we had responded:</span></font></p>
<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-
We do not know “what has been communicated to” the ISOC
Senior Director, Membership & Services in this respect –
but the situation continues: neither the Singapore based
ISOC ASIA PACIFIC staff, nor the ISOC Chapter Development
Manager, Asia-Pacific, nor the ISOC Senior Director,
Membership & Services have responded to the detailed
content in the mail from our Secretary...</span><br
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<b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-
But if such mail was sent and we did not receive it for
whatever reason – it would be appropriate to share it here
on the Chapters list.</b><br
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<ul
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;list-style:none;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Myriad
Pro',Myriad,'Lucida
Grande',Geneva,Arial,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px">
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><b
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><br>
</b></li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><b
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em">Instead
of using this opportunity to provide copies of such
mail, we received again just the same baseless claims.</b></li>
</ul>
<font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
More serious is that he says </span></font><em
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Myriad
Pro',Myriad,'Lucida
Grande',Geneva,Arial,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“It is, in my
opinion therefore, not constructive to dwell on the
past.”</span></font></em><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> - </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">H</span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">had </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">criticized our </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">sharing of
concerns about the non-responsiveness of ISOC staff with
other Chapters and the Chairperson of the ISOC Board</span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> to be
unprofessional. </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">H</span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e is continuing to
refuse to deal with serious problems. I repeat again our
mail </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">which </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">related to one of
the two staff at the Asia Pacific Regional Office:<br>
<br>
= = =<br>
<br>
</span></font><strong
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Grande',Geneva,Arial,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“ Dear Thip,<br>
</span></font></strong><strong
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Myriad
Pro',Myriad,'Lucida
Grande',Geneva,Arial,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">After having
received your mail, rejecting our request to serious
discuss the crisis for our Chapter, created as a result
of the general situation and legal requirements in
Cambodia in the meeting, and the refusal to ISOC staff
to positively pay attention to our situation, we do not
think it would be appropriate to cooperate, as a
Chapter, with organizing a meeting for your 1 - 2.5
hours event, for which you would like to invite the
Members of the Cambodia Chapter and other non-Chapter
members. To discuss fundamental problems within ISOC,
affecting the whole membership, only among officers, as
you suggest (which has been tried in vain by email so
far) would not be in line with our history to promote
and practice open communication – high values regularly
lifted up among the goals of the Internet Society world
wide and in its slogan: the Internet is for everyone.</span></font></strong><strong
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face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
<br>
The situation and this response has been shared and
discussed with the Members of the Advisory Board of our
Chapter and is unanimously supported.<br>
<br>
Norbert Klein<br>
President, ISOC-KH<br>
<br>
</span></font></strong><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> The five
members of our Advisory Board at that time were
(reflecting the stipulation of our Bylaws “The Advisory
Board of five members, from important sections of the ISOC
Cambodia Chapter membership”):</span></font>
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<span
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- </span><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the Head of the IT
in Education Section in the Ministry of Education</span></font><br
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<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the Editor in
Chief of a leading Cambodian daily newspaper, who is at
the same time President of the Club of Cambodian
Journalists</span></font><br
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Pro',Myriad,'Lucida
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<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the President and
CEO of a major broadband providing ISP</span></font><br
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<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">a senior staff
member in the office of the Council of Ministers of the
Government of Cambodia, and</span></font><br
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<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif">
- </span><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">one student.</span></font><br
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">= = = <br>
<br>
We do not have much confidence in regional and central
staff of ISOC that has damaged the formerly good name of
ISOC in Cambodian society, and no word is seen from them
to apologize publicly or to rectify this – but instead it
is considered that we are unprofessional to raise such
unsolved problems. We do not think it is acceptable that
ISOC staff visits a country, refuses to discuss the
problems identified as important by a Chapter, holds her
own meeting to which she invited some people who said they
did not know an hour ago that ISOC exists – and she
encourages them to become members and run for leadership
in the elections one month later. And senior staff of ISOC
just keeps silent.</font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">The
Documentation Center of Cambodia - <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.dccam.org">www.dccam.org</a>
– has in every mail originating from th</span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">em</span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> the sentence:<br>
<br>
</span></font><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">“...a society cannot know itself if it does
not have an accurate memory of its own history.”</span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx">
<font face="Arial, sans-serif">The Internet Society would do
well to consider this also for itself, on its way into a
better future.<br>
</font><br>
<br>
</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Ted Mooney
continues:<br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><b>1.</b> Chapter by-laws. From various
correspondences and information sent to the Cambodia
Chapter, including examples of by-laws from other
chapters and stated flexibility to address the local
needs dating back to 2011, I would like to re-iterate
the flexibility of the Chapter By-laws template to
assure that agreed Chapter By-laws account for all
local laws and special circumstances with respect to
jurisdiction, foreign affiliation and governance.<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
What he calls flexibility seems more to be a situation
of confusion in ISOC operations. It is obvious from the
correspondence on the Chapters list - that not all
Chapters have been made to accept what is now in our
Bylaws – but these problematic elements continue to be
on the ISOC website as “mandatory” elements. And while
he informs us that we are free to flexibly apply the
Chapters Bylaws template, </span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">at the same
time </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">“Renewal Chapter Charter letters” are going
out to be signed and returned by 15 December 2013,
including “chapter minimum standards” stating that if a
Chapter does not meet "one or more" a process of
“rejuvenation” will be initiated.<br>
<br>
One Chapter chair commented: “Somehow I miss all these
in the ISOC by-laws, but may be someone can enlighten
us?”<br>
<br>
There is obviously no clarity and broad agreement with
Chapters at present about the content and role of
Chapter Bylaws, as some of the Chapter </span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Delegates</span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> mails show –
with reference to a lot of time spent for nothing in the
past (</span></font><strong><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">highlighting added</span></font></strong><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> in our
quoting):<br>
</span></font><br>
<strong style="line-height:1.4em"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">-------- Original Message
-------- </span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Subject: Re:
[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: Renewal Internet Society
Chapter Charter<br>
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:44:09 +0200<br>
From: Klaus Birkenbihl
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de"><Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de></a><br>
Organization: Internet Society German Chapter e.V. (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ISOC.DE">ISOC.DE</a>)<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<br>
...I also don't foresee much change in practice if we
sign the letter. Nevertheless it is the wrong thing at
the wrong time. During the last years when chapters
became more visible and active we discussed so many
beautiful things that could give support and help to
be more effective. E.g. Issue Trackers to identify
issues and track their resolution, Wikis to support
collaboration and many other things the Internet holds
that other groups use to do better work. So next thing
we expected to see was some progress here.<br>
<br>
But instead of picking up e.g. the prototype that was
provided by Elena, we still lack reporting facilities
for projects and problems, collaboration tools, we
stick to the old work-intensive AMS to exchange our
member data … But what we get is another version of
the Letter of Affiliation.<br>
<br>
Please keep in mind: it is effort, money and time that
is provided by chapters members that is used to do the
work.<br>
<br>
Financial support by ISOC is rather marginal. (Did you
e.g ever manage to organize an event for $2000? For
our last event even the fee for the room was higher.)
Knowing that ISOC lacks the budget to pay them,
chapters - though complaining once and a while -
continue to work on this base.<br>
<br>
The Letter of Association says ISOC wants you to
perform such and such, wants to define a maximum
number of terms for office holders [is this really a
mission related concern?], and you need ["we believe
in numbers"] to have that many individual members,
[can it be summed-up with corporations? - AMS still
don't let me report corporate members] and so forth.
Read this while keeping in mind that its chapters
time, chapters money, chapters effort. Doesn't it
annoy you?<br>
<br>
I don't say we should be against the Letters of
Association but given the situation as it is - they
should be the result of negotiations and not a
headquarters dictatorship.<br>
<br>
Maybe the newly to be created Chapters Advisory would
be the group to develop a template that fulfills 2
criteria:<br>
<br>
- it is balanced in terms of responsibility and
control, benefit and achievements<br>
- it allow</span></font></strong><strong><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">s</span></font></strong><strong><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> to be
adjusted to needs of individual chapters (e.g. those
with a commercial branch, or with corporate members,
or with a special focus like accessibility ...)<br>
<br>
Such Letter of Association could have a real effect.<br>
<br>
Klaus</span></font></strong></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">=</span></font></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><b>2.</b> The
Chapter Administrative Support Working Group is now
meeting regularly to discuss various ways to address
Chapter issues regarding operational resources. As you
have noted from the discussion in this email forum,
there is a wide disparity of views and therefore,
multiple solutions may be piloted.<br>
<br>
It is regrettable that this has not come together as
quickly as the Cambodia Chapter has needed, so we hope
that you will reconsider your voluntary de-chartering
until there are more widely available support options
for you to evaluate. Please do keep in mind that
local self-sufficiency will always be a key component
of any operations resource strategy.<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
While local self-sufficiency is a broadly understandable
principle, the way this issue has been treated so far
seems to have seen this as a financial affair. We have
not seen response to the much more complex situation,
where many people in Cambodia have, over the years and
again recently, been self-sufficient in providing their
energy, their health, their freedom, and in some cases
their lives in the struggle for justice and in the
struggle to be free to communicate about it. </span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">A</span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> lot of public
support, legal assistance, and care for victims, is
however not based on local finances, but is provided by
organizations and institutions extending external
solidarity funding support. <br>
<br>
We have shared information that communication technology
and information networks are fairly well developed in
Cambodia and there are working groups, regular
activities, IXPs, organized structures, </span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Barcamps (the
most recent one a week ago with more than 2000
participants)</span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> – quite a number of the ISOC
Cambodia Chapter members provided leadership in these
fields. Our inquiry if ISOC could financially assist in
setting up and initially operating an office was clearly
related to the specific government regulations (</span></font><strong><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">following the
ISOC staff guided Bylaw: “The Chapter shall be
established as a non-profit organization under the
laws of Cambodia”</span></font></strong><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">).<br>
<br>
If ISOC staff considers financial </span></font><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“local
self-sufficiency [...] always be a key component of
any operations resource strategy”</span></font></em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> we are out for
the time being.<br>
<br>
One comment on the Chapter list had said there is no
need for us to defend ourselves – ISOC staff may have to
defend themselves instead. We leave this open – but if
anybody is interested in our context, you may find some
more information about local contributions at the Annex
at the end of our Documentation to be sent out
separately. </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">This material – voices from the Chapters -
may be of value for the work following a recent ISOC
Board decision that “</span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="zxx">acknowledged
the right of Chapters to form an advisory group.”</span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><b>3.</b> We once again call upon the
Cambodia Chapter to a) participate with ISOC staff in
a conference call to speak forthrightly about the
issues you raise, b) participate in the regularly
scheduled Asia Chapter Webex calls in which most other
Asia chapters are now participating. Regarding, a)
above, we have noted your concern that many Cambodia
Chapter officers cannot attend a call at one time for
work-related and other obligations. We are very
willing to have multiple calls to accommodate various
schedules and to be held at times that allow as many
officers to attend as possible.<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
We did not participate lately in such conference calls
or webinars as our experience over the years is that
such talks did not lead to much results. Especially
multiple sessions on the same subject ended up with open
questions: </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">W</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">hat was really discussed or decided? Email
exchanges leave much clearer records.<br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">On another note, there is currently a
Chapter workshop in Bali ahead of the IGF. I hope the
Cambodian representative will take the opportunity to
speak to Naveed ul Haq, Chapter Development Manager
for Asia, Joyce Dogniez Director of Chapter
Development and Raj Singh our Regional Bureau
Director. Such a conversation presents an additional
opportunity to resolve timing conflicts and help us
all get to a resolution of the issues.<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
Ted Mooney added: <br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">“This is unfortunate as there is a travel
fellowship available for the each Asia Chapter to
attend in which expenses are covered. My assumption
was that surely you would take advantage of such
funding from ISOC particularly when your
representative would have a forum with ISOC executives
in which to discuss your specific issue. Why did you
chose not to attend?”<br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
The fact that intensive communication on the Chapter
list, with several calls from various Chapter leaders
calling on ISOC staff – central and regional – to
respond to the contents of our mail did not result in
such responses, was not an indication that to meet in
Bali would provide the practical and timely responses we
were hoping for. </span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">W</span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e did not want
to ask for such </span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">international </span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">travel </span></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">support for one
person to talk to ISOC staff traveling to Bali to talk
about things for which the 90 ISOC staff and advisors
could not organize written responses in the months and
weeks before.</span></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
<br>
And finally, Ted Mooney said: <br>
<br>
</span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">“Also, I think we needn't burden Chapter
Delegates with a lengthy and hopefully fruitful
conversation between us in email. I will no longer be
posting my responses to you to the entire list.” <br>
</span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
Here the ISOC Senior Director, Membership &
Services, is obviously not in line with the many Chapter
leaders who were interested and did actively participate
in the related discussions on the Chapters list. As
Ousmane MOUSSA TESSA from the Niger Chapter wrote:</span></font></p>
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face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
</span></font><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx">Hi all,<br>
+1 Veni! [Bulgaria]<br>
<br>
In my previous mail I tried to share a quiet simple
idea of the <br>
"ecosystem" of ISOC. Veni summarized what this
ecosystem must be. I'm just thinking it just a global
decentralized process, as Chapters don't be considered
as "subsidiaries" of company with an HQ and Board of
Trustees!<br>
<br>
BTW, I agree 200% with Veni about the fact, and
keeping in mind that "the strength of a chain is based
on the quality of its weakest link". <br>
Hence, let's support each other to move steadily and
forward a visible thread, so even the newcomers can
jump easy in one the various wagons of ISOC.<br>
<br>
Keep on talking, talking again, in the only aim to ...
to sharpen our current and future actions and overcome
inherent difficulties of our Global "institution".<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
<br>
Ousmane<br>
Niger Chapter<br>
</span></font></strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
We continue to share our communication.</span></font></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx">
<br>
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
are committed to the “basic values” for which many persons
around the world became members of the ISOC – and it is
our assumption that many of our present Chapter members
may want to continue to be members of ISOC, for which they
had to sign up before being able to become members of a
chapter.</span><br>
</p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Probably there
will also be an informal fellowship of “Friends of the
Internet in Cambodia” - and there may be interest in the
future to see how the recent decisions of the ISOC Board
that<font size="3"> affirmed the role of chapters in the
governance and mission of the Internet Society will work
out, especially when a Chapters Advisory Group will have
done its work and hopefully the clarification of the
role and relation of staff and chapters may lead to a
new start of ISOC.</font></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
</span></font><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Be
Chantra</span><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
lang="zxx"><br>
</span></font></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chantra.be@gmail.com">chantra.be@gmail.com</a></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">(still)
Secretary of the </span><span lang="zxx">ISOC Cambodia
Chapter</span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">until this
announcement is sent out.</span></font></p>
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