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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">This is extremely bad
      news. I am so sorry to hear it, and to read also you didn't get
      adequate support from ISOC HQ. This is, I believe, the first time,
      when a chapter seizes to exist in such a way.<br>
      <br>
      Veni :-( <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/03/13 21:26, Chantra Be wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOmi_Vpzw6Y9CTAcuZZm5+qjOeyvm7zC6mD4xhVCLi8F5PCMsQ@mail.gmail.com"
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Dear All,</span></font></strong></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">On 26 October
                  2013, a meeting was held according to Article XII of
                  the Bylaws of the Cambodian Chapter of the Internet
                  Society:</span></font></strong></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
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            <font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
                  size="3"><b>Article XII. - Dissolution of the Chapter</b></font></font></font></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
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            <font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
                  size="3">1.  Dissolution of this Chapter by consent of
                  the members shall consist of unanimous agreement of
                  all its officers together with a majority vote at a
                  meeting which has been publicized in advance to all
                  members of the Chapter for the purpose of taking this
                  vote.</font></font></font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
                color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
                    size="3"><span lang="zxx"><span
                        style="font-weight:normal">2.  Should this
                        Chapter be dissolved, its assets shall be
                        transferred to ISOC International Headquarters.</span></span></font></font></font></strong></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><br>
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em">The
              meeting had been called on 23 September 2013, stating:</span></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br>
              “It is to propose – unless real and practical alternatives
              are identified within the following month – to call a
              meeting of all members of our Chapter for the purpose of
              taking a vote to dissolve the ISOC Cambodia Chapter.”</font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 1.25cm;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><br>
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          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><b>The meeting
                  decided to dissolve the ISOC Cambodia Chapter; this
                  decision becomes effective after the present
                  Announcement will have been sent out:</b></span></font></p>
          <ul
            style="margin:0px;padding:0px;list-style:none;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Myriad
            Pro',Myriad,'Lucida
Grande',Geneva,Arial,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px">
            <li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span
                style="line-height:1.4em">- to all members of the ISOC
                Cambodia Chapter</span></li>
            <li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span
                style="line-height:1.4em">- to the Chapter Delegates
                list of ISOC</span></li>
            <li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><span
                style="line-height:1.4em">- to the Chairperson of the
                Board of ISOC</span></li>
            <li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><span
                style="line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"
                lang="zxx">- to the ISOC Senior Director, Membership
                & Services (You had written: “</span><span
                style="line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">If
                the Cambodian Chapter wishes to rescind its ISOC chapter
                status, a letter so stating to the APAC Chapter
                Development manager is sufficient” - would you please
                forward it there – or also to other persons in ISOC
                beyond the APAC office who might want to know.)</span></li>
          </ul>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><span
              style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"
              lang="zxx"><br>
            </span></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><span
              style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"
              lang="zxx">This decision was taken </span><span
              style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"
              lang="zxx">drawing together the conclusions of the
              correspondence with ISOC staff and ISOC Chapter leaders: </span><span
              style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"
              lang="zxx">we appreciate very much the many encouraging
              comments from other Chapters, and we regret that the
              expected correspondence from ISOC staff – regional and
              central – was late, or not forthcoming at all, and not
              proposing real and practical steps ahead.</span></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br>
            </font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx">
            <font face="Arial, sans-serif"><b>The following is to be
                more specific:</b></font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">In response to
                the “Interim Information: Serious considerations to
                dissolve the Cambodia ISOC Chapter” which </span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">we</span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> had sent to you
                and to ISOC Chapter leaders and ISOC staff on 16 Oct
                2013, we received the following response from Ted Mooney
                - ISOC Senior Director, Membership & Services – on
                18 October 2013, under the Subject line “Communication
                and moving forward with the ISOC Cambodia Chapter.” <br>
                <br>
                I quote </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx">the mail from Ted Mooney here in Italics</span></font></em><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">, to distinguish
                it from comments from other Chapter leaders and from our
                own side.<br>
                <br>
              </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx">Dear Chantra Be,<br>
                  <br>
                  I've followed with great interest the responses from
                  Norbert Klein on the Chapter Delegates e-list.  I want
                  you to know that I and many of us at ISOC have
                  thoroughly read your original email more than once and
                  the subsequent messages from Mr. Klein. I have
                  researched the claims made regarding the
                  correspondences between ISOC Staff and the Cambodian
                  Chapter and the outreach attempts made on both sides.
                   It is evident that Staff has a different
                  interpretation of the data than has the Chapter.  It
                  is, in my opinion therefore, not constructive to dwell
                  on the past but to address the issues raised in your
                  message, once again. <br>
                </span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
                Ted Mooney refers again to outreach attempts supposedly
                made by ISOC staff. <br>
                <br>
                This is not the first time such claims are made, and
                therefore we had responded:</span></font></p>
          <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-
            We do not know “what has been communicated to” the ISOC
            Senior Director, Membership & Services in this respect –
            but the situation continues: neither the Singapore based
            ISOC ASIA PACIFIC staff, nor the ISOC  Chapter Development
            Manager, Asia-Pacific, nor the  ISOC Senior Director,
            Membership & Services have responded to the detailed
            content in the mail from our Secretary...</span><br
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          <b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-
            But if such mail was sent and we did not receive it for
            whatever reason – it would be appropriate to share it here
            on the Chapters list.</b><br
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          <ul
            style="margin:0px;padding:0px;list-style:none;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Myriad
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            <li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><b
                style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em"><br>
              </b></li>
            <li style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><b
                style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.4em">Instead
                of using this opportunity to provide copies of such
                mail, we received again just the same baseless claims.</b></li>
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            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
              More serious is that he says </span></font><em
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              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“It is, in my
                opinion therefore, not constructive to dwell on the
                past.”</span></font></em><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> - </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">H</span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">had </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">criticized our </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">sharing of
              concerns about the non-responsiveness of ISOC staff with
              other Chapters and the Chairperson of the ISOC Board</span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> to be
              unprofessional. </span></font><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">H</span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e is continuing to
              refuse to deal with serious problems. I repeat again our
              mail </span></font><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">which </span></font><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">related to one of
              the two staff at the Asia Pacific Regional Office:<br>
              <br>
              = = =<br>
              <br>
            </span></font><strong
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              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“ Dear Thip,<br>
              </span></font></strong><strong
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Myriad
            Pro',Myriad,'Lucida
Grande',Geneva,Arial,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">After having
                received your mail, rejecting our request to serious
                discuss the crisis for our Chapter, created as a result
                of the general situation and legal requirements in
                Cambodia in the meeting, and the refusal to ISOC staff
                to positively pay attention to our situation, we do not
                think it would be appropriate to cooperate, as a
                Chapter, with organizing a meeting for your 1 - 2.5
                hours event, for which you would like to invite the
                Members of the Cambodia Chapter and other non-Chapter
                members. To discuss fundamental problems within ISOC,
                affecting the whole membership, only among officers, as
                you suggest (which has been tried in vain by email so
                far) would not be in line with our history to promote
                and practice open communication – high values regularly
                lifted up among the goals of the Internet Society world
                wide and in its slogan: the Internet is for everyone.</span></font></strong><strong
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              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
                <br>
                The situation and this response has been shared and
                discussed with the Members of the Advisory Board of our
                Chapter and is unanimously supported.<br>
                <br>
                Norbert Klein<br>
                President, ISOC-KH<br>
                <br>
              </span></font></strong><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">    The five
              members of our Advisory Board at that time were
              (reflecting the stipulation of our Bylaws “The Advisory
              Board of five members, from important sections of the ISOC
              Cambodia Chapter membership”):</span></font>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"></p>
          <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif"> 
                   - </span><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the Head of the IT
              in Education Section in the Ministry of Education</span></font><br
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          <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif"> 
                   - </span><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the Editor in
              Chief of a leading Cambodian daily newspaper, who is at
              the same time President of  the Club of Cambodian
              Journalists</span></font><br
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Myriad
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Grande',Geneva,Arial,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px">
          <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif"> 
                   - </span><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">the President and
              CEO of a major broadband providing ISP</span></font><br
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          <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif"> 
                   - </span><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">a senior staff
              member in the office of the Council of Ministers of the
              Government of Cambodia, and</span></font><br
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          <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif"> 
                   - </span><font
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:1.4em"
            face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">one student.</span></font><br
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          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">= = = <br>
              <br>
              We do not have much confidence in regional and central
              staff of ISOC that has damaged the formerly good name of
              ISOC in Cambodian society, and no word is seen from them
              to apologize publicly or to rectify this – but instead it
              is considered that we are unprofessional to raise such
              unsolved problems. We do not think it is acceptable that
              ISOC staff visits a country, refuses to discuss the
              problems identified as important by a Chapter, holds her
              own meeting to which she invited some people who said they
              did not know an hour ago that ISOC exists – and she
              encourages them to become members and run for leadership
              in the elections one month later. And senior staff of ISOC
              just keeps silent.</font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">The
                Documentation Center of Cambodia - <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.dccam.org">www.dccam.org</a>
                – has in every mail originating from th</span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">em</span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> the sentence:<br>
                <br>
              </span></font><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx">“...a society cannot know itself if it does
                  not have an accurate memory of its own history.”</span></font></strong></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
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            lang="zxx">
            <font face="Arial, sans-serif">The Internet Society would do
              well to consider this also for itself, on its way into a
              better future.<br>
            </font><br>
            <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Ted Mooney
                continues:<br>
                <br>
              </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx"><b>1.</b> Chapter by-laws. From various
                  correspondences and information sent to the Cambodia
                  Chapter, including examples of by-laws from other
                  chapters and stated flexibility to address the local
                  needs dating back to 2011, I would like to re-iterate
                  the flexibility of the Chapter By-laws template to
                  assure that agreed Chapter By-laws account for all
                  local laws and special circumstances with respect to
                  jurisdiction, foreign affiliation and governance.<br>
                </span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
                What he calls flexibility seems more to be a situation
                of confusion in ISOC operations. It is obvious from the
                correspondence on the Chapters list - that not all
                Chapters have been made to accept what is now in our
                Bylaws – but these problematic elements continue to be
                on the ISOC website as “mandatory” elements. And while
                he informs us that we are free to flexibly apply the
                Chapters Bylaws template, </span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">at the same
                time </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx">“Renewal Chapter Charter letters” are going
                out to be signed and returned by 15 December 2013,
                including “chapter minimum standards” stating that if a
                Chapter does not meet "one or more" a process of
                “rejuvenation” will be initiated.<br>
                <br>
                One Chapter chair commented: “Somehow I miss all these
                in the ISOC by-laws, but may be someone can enlighten
                us?”<br>
                <br>
                There is obviously no clarity and broad agreement with
                Chapters at present about the content and role of
                Chapter Bylaws, as some of the Chapter </span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Delegates</span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> mails show –
                with reference to a lot of time spent for nothing in the
                past (</span></font><strong><font face="Arial,
                sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">highlighting added</span></font></strong><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> in our
                quoting):<br>
              </span></font><br>
            <strong style="line-height:1.4em"><font face="Arial,
                sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">-------- Original Message
                  -------- </span></font></strong></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Subject: Re:
                  [Chapter-delegates] Fwd: Renewal Internet Society
                  Chapter Charter<br>
                  Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:44:09 +0200<br>
                  From: Klaus Birkenbihl
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de"><Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de></a><br>
                  Organization: Internet Society German Chapter e.V. (<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ISOC.DE">ISOC.DE</a>)<br>
                  To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>
                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  ...I also don't foresee much change in practice if we
                  sign the letter. Nevertheless it is the wrong thing at
                  the wrong time. During the last years when chapters
                  became more visible and active we discussed so many
                  beautiful things that could give support and help to
                  be more effective. E.g. Issue Trackers to identify
                  issues and track their resolution, Wikis to support
                  collaboration and many other things the Internet holds
                  that other groups use to do better work. So next thing
                  we expected to see was some progress here.<br>
                  <br>
                  But instead of picking up e.g. the prototype that was
                  provided by Elena, we still lack reporting facilities
                  for projects and problems, collaboration tools, we
                  stick to the old work-intensive AMS to exchange our
                  member data … But what we get is another version of
                  the Letter of Affiliation.<br>
                  <br>
                  Please keep in mind: it is effort, money and time that
                  is provided by chapters members that is used to do the
                  work.<br>
                  <br>
                  Financial support by ISOC is rather marginal. (Did you
                  e.g ever manage to organize an event for $2000? For
                  our last event even the fee for the room was higher.)
                  Knowing that ISOC lacks the budget to pay them,
                  chapters - though complaining once and a while -
                  continue to work on this base.<br>
                  <br>
                  The Letter of Association says ISOC wants you to
                  perform such and such, wants to define a maximum
                  number of terms for office holders [is this really a
                  mission related concern?], and you need ["we believe
                  in numbers"] to have that many individual members,
                  [can it be summed-up with corporations? - AMS still
                  don't let me report corporate members] and so forth.
                  Read this while keeping in mind that its chapters
                  time, chapters money, chapters effort. Doesn't it
                  annoy you?<br>
                  <br>
                  I don't say we should be against the Letters of
                  Association but given the situation as it is - they
                  should be the result of negotiations and not a
                  headquarters dictatorship.<br>
                  <br>
                  Maybe the newly to be created Chapters Advisory would
                  be the group to develop a template that fulfills 2
                  criteria:<br>
                  <br>
                    - it is balanced in terms of responsibility and
                  control, benefit and achievements<br>
                    - it allow</span></font></strong><strong><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">s</span></font></strong><strong><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> to be
                  adjusted to needs of individual chapters (e.g. those
                  with a commercial branch, or with corporate members,
                  or with a special focus like accessibility ...)<br>
                  <br>
                  Such Letter of Association could have a real effect.<br>
                  <br>
                  Klaus</span></font></strong></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><strong><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">=</span></font></strong></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><em><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><b>2.</b> The
                  Chapter Administrative Support Working Group is now
                  meeting regularly to discuss various ways to address
                  Chapter issues regarding operational resources. As you
                  have noted from the discussion in this email forum,
                  there is a wide disparity of views and therefore,
                  multiple solutions may be piloted.<br>
                  <br>
                  It is regrettable that this has not come together as
                  quickly as the Cambodia Chapter has needed, so we hope
                  that you will reconsider your voluntary de-chartering
                  until there are more widely available support options
                  for you to evaluate. Please do keep in mind that
                  local self-sufficiency will always be a key component
                  of any operations resource strategy.<br>
                </span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
                While local self-sufficiency is a broadly understandable
                principle, the way this issue has been treated so far
                seems to have seen this as a financial affair. We have
                not seen response to the much more complex situation,
                where many people in Cambodia have, over the years and
                again recently, been self-sufficient in providing their
                energy, their health, their freedom, and in some cases
                their lives in the struggle for justice and in the
                struggle to be free to communicate about it. </span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">A</span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> lot of public
                support, legal assistance, and care for victims, is
                however not based on local finances, but is provided by
                organizations and institutions extending external
                solidarity funding support. <br>
                <br>
                We have shared information that communication technology
                and information networks are fairly well developed in
                Cambodia and there are working groups, regular
                activities, IXPs, organized structures, </span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">Barcamps (the
                most recent one a week ago with more than 2000
                participants)</span></font><font face="Arial,
              sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> – quite a number of the ISOC
                Cambodia Chapter members provided leadership in these
                fields. Our inquiry if ISOC could financially assist in
                setting up and initially operating an office was clearly
                related to the specific government regulations (</span></font><strong><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">following the
                  ISOC staff guided Bylaw: “The Chapter shall be
                  established as a non-profit organization under the
                  laws of Cambodia”</span></font></strong><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">).<br>
                <br>
                If ISOC staff considers financial </span></font><em><font
                face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">“local
                  self-sufficiency [...] always be a key component of
                  any operations resource strategy”</span></font></em><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"> we are out for
                the time being.<br>
                <br>
                One comment on the Chapter list had said there is no
                need for us to defend ourselves – ISOC staff may have to
                defend themselves instead. We leave this open – but if
                anybody is interested in our context, you may find some
                more information about local contributions at the Annex
                at the end of our Documentation to be sent out
                separately. </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx">This material – voices from the Chapters -
                may be of value for the work following a recent ISOC
                Board decision that “</span></font><font face="Arial,
              sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="zxx">acknowledged
                  the right of Chapters to form an advisory group.”</span></font></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
                <br>
              </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx"><b>3.</b> We once again call upon the
                  Cambodia Chapter to a) participate with ISOC staff in
                  a conference call to speak forthrightly about the
                  issues you raise, b) participate in the regularly
                  scheduled Asia Chapter Webex calls in which most other
                  Asia chapters are now participating.  Regarding, a)
                  above, we have noted your concern that many Cambodia
                  Chapter officers cannot attend a call at one time for
                  work-related and other obligations.  We are very
                  willing to have multiple calls to accommodate various
                  schedules and to be held at times that allow as many
                  officers to attend as possible.<br>
                </span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
                We did not participate lately in such conference calls
                or webinars as our experience over the years is that
                such talks did not lead to much results. Especially
                multiple sessions on the same subject ended up with open
                questions: </span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx">W</span></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx">hat was really discussed or decided? Email
                exchanges leave much clearer records.<br>
                <br>
              </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx">On another note, there is currently a
                  Chapter workshop in Bali ahead of the IGF. I hope the
                  Cambodian representative will take the opportunity to
                  speak to Naveed ul Haq, Chapter Development Manager
                  for Asia, Joyce Dogniez Director of Chapter
                  Development and Raj Singh our Regional Bureau
                  Director. Such a conversation presents an additional
                  opportunity to resolve timing conflicts and help us
                  all get to a resolution of the issues.<br>
                </span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
                Ted Mooney added: <br>
                <br>
              </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx">“This is unfortunate as there is a travel
                  fellowship available for the each Asia Chapter to
                  attend in which expenses are covered. My assumption
                  was that surely you would take advantage of such
                  funding from ISOC particularly when your
                  representative would have a forum with ISOC executives
                  in which to discuss your specific issue. Why did you
                  chose not to attend?”<br>
                </span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
                The fact that intensive communication on the Chapter
                list, with several calls from various Chapter leaders
                calling on ISOC staff – central and regional – to
                respond to the contents of our mail did not result in
                such responses, was not an indication that to meet in
                Bali would provide the practical and timely responses we
                were hoping for. </span></font><font face="Arial,
              sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">W</span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">e did not want
                to ask for such </span></font><font face="Arial,
              sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">international </span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">travel </span></font><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">support for one
                person to talk to ISOC staff traveling to Bali to talk
                about things for which the 90 ISOC staff and advisors
                could not organize written responses in the months and
                weeks before.</span></font><font face="Arial,
              sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
                <br>
                And finally, Ted Mooney said: <br>
                <br>
              </span></font><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx">“Also, I think we needn't burden Chapter
                  Delegates with a lengthy and hopefully fruitful
                  conversation between us in email. I will no longer be
                  posting my responses to you to the entire list.” <br>
                </span></font></em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
                Here the ISOC Senior Director, Membership &
                Services, is obviously not in line with the many Chapter
                leaders who were interested and did actively participate
                in the related discussions on the Chapters list. As
                Ousmane MOUSSA TESSA from the Niger Chapter wrote:</span></font></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
              </span></font><strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                  lang="zxx">Hi all,<br>
                  +1 Veni! [Bulgaria]<br>
                  <br>
                  In my previous mail I tried to share a quiet simple
                  idea of the <br>
                  "ecosystem" of ISOC. Veni summarized what this
                  ecosystem must be. I'm just thinking it just a global
                  decentralized process, as Chapters don't be considered
                  as "subsidiaries" of company with an HQ and Board of
                  Trustees!<br>
                  <br>
                  BTW, I agree 200% with Veni about the fact, and
                  keeping in mind that "the strength of a chain is based
                  on the quality of its weakest link". <br>
                  Hence, let's support each other to move steadily and
                  forward a visible thread, so even the newcomers can
                  jump easy in one the various wagons of ISOC.<br>
                  <br>
                  Keep on talking, talking again, in the only aim to ...
                  to sharpen our current and future actions and overcome
                  inherent difficulties of our Global "institution".<br>
                  <br>
                  All the best<br>
                  <br>
                  Ousmane<br>
                  Niger Chapter<br>
                </span></font></strong><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
                We continue to share our communication.</span></font></p>
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10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx">
            <br>
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
              are committed to the “basic values” for which many persons
              around the world became members of the ISOC – and it is
              our assumption that many of our present Chapter members
              may want to continue to be members of ISOC, for which they
              had to sign up before being able to become members of a
              chapter.</span><br>
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          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Probably there
              will also be an informal fellowship of “Friends of the
              Internet in Cambodia” - and there may be interest in the
              future to see how the recent decisions of the ISOC Board
              that<font size="3"> affirmed the role of chapters in the
                governance and mission of the Internet Society will work
                out, especially when a Chapters Advisory Group will have
                done its work and hopefully the clarification of the
                role and relation of staff and chapters may lead to a
                new start of ISOC.</font></font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx"><br>
              </span></font><span
              style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Be
              Chantra</span><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span
                lang="zxx"><br>
              </span></font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"
            lang="zxx"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:chantra.be@gmail.com">chantra.be@gmail.com</a></font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">(still)
                Secretary of the </span><span lang="zxx">ISOC Cambodia
                Chapter</span></font></p>
          <p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px
10px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,clean,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;line-height:18.1875px"><font
              face="Arial, sans-serif"><span lang="zxx">until this
                announcement is sent out.</span></font></p>
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a></pre>
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Best, 
Veni Markovski
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.veni.com">http://www.veni.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski">https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/veni">https://twitter.com/veni</a>

The opinions expressed above are those of the 
author, not of any organizations, associated 
with or related to him in any given way. </pre>
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