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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
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La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
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Visitez le <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.naralo.org">www.naralo.org</a> </pre>
      Le 2013-10-19 23:42, John More a écrit :<br>
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      <div>One of the motivations for revising the Bylaws to have a
        Chapter Advisory Council was to have a vehicle for peer input on
        the Chapter agreement (I think then termed a MOU), such as can
        be found with other organizations that have Chapters and set
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        <div>It would be best to wait for the creation of the Council
          before implementing the Renewal letter. One of the first tasks
          of the Council would be to vet the letter and then implement
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            <div>On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:01 PM, CW Mail <<a
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                    <div>On 19 Oct 2013, at 18:36, Christian de
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                            style="font-family: Avenir Next;">I agree.
                            It would be wise for ISOC to now recognise
                            that the formation process of the Chapter
                            Advisory Council should be allowed to happen
                            without the shadow of this letter hanging
                            over the community and withdraw it whilst it
                            gets established.<br>
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                            In the interim chapters can think about the
                            future role of individuals in their chapter.
                            Whether they sign up at ISOC as supporters
                            or directly at the chapter. ISOC established
                            its new ByLaws without listening to the
                            warnings that the status and role of
                            individuals at ISOC was being completely
                            removed. <br>
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                            Sending us all a letter that half imposes
                            some retrospective  one sided obligations on
                            chapters after the event doesn't solve
                            anything. To be brutal it doesn't read as
                            being honest about what ISOC wants to
                            achieve with its chapters.  If ISOC wants
                            chapters to be vehicles for individual
                            engagement in the cleaned up mission
                            focussed new ISOC then let's see a proposal
                            to work together on that idea. <br>
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                            best<br>
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                            Christian <br>
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                              <div>Dear Christian:<br>
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                                You make some very strong points, below.
                                Thankyou.<br>
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                                The main lines of these concerns have
                                been evident now for several years, and
                                I am surprised that ISOC has resurrected
                                the quasi-contract formula, after many
                                of us had patiently explained that it
                                would not work in appliccable law.<br>
                                It would be wise to defer any further
                                discussion on those matters until the
                                Chapters Advisory Council is in place.<br>
                                Meanwhile, think: hit, ball, long, grass
                                … <br>
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                                Regards<br>
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                                CW<br>
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