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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
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Le 2013-10-19 23:42, John More a écrit :<br>
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<div>One of the motivations for revising the Bylaws to have a
Chapter Advisory Council was to have a vehicle for peer input on
the Chapter agreement (I think then termed a MOU), such as can
be found with other organizations that have Chapters and set
minimum standards.
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<div>It would be best to wait for the creation of the Council
before implementing the Renewal letter. One of the first tasks
of the Council would be to vet the letter and then implement
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<div>On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:01 PM, CW Mail <<a
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<div>On 19 Oct 2013, at 18:36, Christian de
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style="font-family: Avenir Next;">I agree.
It would be wise for ISOC to now recognise
that the formation process of the Chapter
Advisory Council should be allowed to happen
without the shadow of this letter hanging
over the community and withdraw it whilst it
gets established.<br>
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In the interim chapters can think about the
future role of individuals in their chapter.
Whether they sign up at ISOC as supporters
or directly at the chapter. ISOC established
its new ByLaws without listening to the
warnings that the status and role of
individuals at ISOC was being completely
removed. <br>
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Sending us all a letter that half imposes
some retrospective one sided obligations on
chapters after the event doesn't solve
anything. To be brutal it doesn't read as
being honest about what ISOC wants to
achieve with its chapters. If ISOC wants
chapters to be vehicles for individual
engagement in the cleaned up mission
focussed new ISOC then let's see a proposal
to work together on that idea. <br>
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best<br>
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<div>Dear Christian:<br>
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You make some very strong points, below.
Thankyou.<br>
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The main lines of these concerns have
been evident now for several years, and
I am surprised that ISOC has resurrected
the quasi-contract formula, after many
of us had patiently explained that it
would not work in appliccable law.<br>
It would be wise to defer any further
discussion on those matters until the
Chapters Advisory Council is in place.<br>
Meanwhile, think: hit, ball, long, grass
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