<div dir="ltr"><font color="#500050" face="Courier New">Truly Alejandro</font><div><font color="#500050" face="Courier New"><br></font><div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma">The </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma">Chapter Advisory Council</span> will definitely improve discourse between ISOC and Chapters. Not that there isn't dialogue, but the Chapter Advisory Council will play an important role in progressively addressing core issues thus improving performance and operation of the chapters, including tackling intrinsic issues that Chapters could not relay directly to ISOC. I know there are many issues within Chapters that need to be addresses, judging from my own experience. Although ISOC and the Regional Bureaus have been active in this case, but there is need for improvement, with clearly defined mechanisms for resolving local bottlenecks. Some of these inherent issues may be directly affecting chapter's performance as well as expanding membership and volunteers. In this case the design of <font face="Courier New">bottom-up consultation should have clearly definitive ToR.</font></div>
</div><div><font face="Courier New"><br></font></div><div><font face="Courier New">Charles Oloo</font></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:apisan@unam.mx" target="_blank">apisan@unam.mx</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>to agree with Chrisitian even more deeply: the Chapter Advisory Council must be designed in such a way that it is not a very desirable job, carrying much more responsibilities (like constant bottom-up consultation, drafting of texts, bringing to the community
tons of well-understood information, etc.) and an obligation of service to the community.</div>
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<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 15 de octubre de 2013 05:59<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> John More<br>
<b>CC:</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chapter Advisory Council - creation of an Interim Steering Committee<br>
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<div>+1 John<br>
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Agreed. Determining the role and scope lf the Council within the structure of the Internet Society (obviously also including a discussion and understanding of the role of the Chapters) is a pre-condition to designing the structure of the Council.<br>
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On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:28 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <<a href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Yes... Important to note that.<br>
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> The term is "Advisory" not political nor hierarchical, nor<br>
> representational nor any of the myriad ratholes such an activity can be<br>
> pushed down.<br>
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> Can this be structured as a "meeting" of chapters to develop and discuss<br>
> priorities and advise the ISOC board and possibly chapters as a whole?<br>
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> I wonder. Experience shows a strong preconception in this generation to<br>
> develop structure, elections, board, officers, business cards, status,<br>
> entitlement, then representational assumptions ....<br>
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> Christian<br>
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> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:<br>
>> Chris,<br>
>><br>
>> glad to know you are interested as well.<br>
>><br>
>> You may have missed this from a message of mine on October 1:<br>
>><br>
>> "The *one* true innovation in the landscape is the possibility in the<br>
>> Bylaws to create a Chapter Advisory Council.<br>
>><br>
>> Previous attempts have failed and I am among those who have had serious<br>
>> doubts about the concept. We should test it now. We know afresh much of<br>
>> what the Council should be able to do and what is out of its scope.<br>
>> Let's get on to it. I'm in if I can be considered useful."<br>
>><br>
>> I think that before any of us puts his/her names up for roles we need to<br>
>> start doing some actual work. What in the present landscape can a<br>
>> Chapter Advisory Council do that improves the situation, what could<br>
>> actually go wrong with it?<br>
>><br>
>> IMO a Chapter Advisory Council can bridge many gaps and make sure there<br>
>> is a persistent and consistent voice from the chapters. It must not try<br>
>> to take over from the chapters, however, nor become one more<br>
>> self-propelled power center or attempt to become one. IMO that is what<br>
>> killed a well-known previous regional model.<br>
>><br>
>> Yours,<br>
>><br>
>> Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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>><br>
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>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>
>> Facultad de Química UNAM<br>
>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico<br>
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>> Blog: <a href="http://pisanty.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://pisanty.blogspot.com</a><br>
>> LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty</a><br>
>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,<br>
>> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</a><br>
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>> *Desde:* <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">
chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
>> [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] en nombre de CW Mail<br>
>> [<a href="mailto:mail@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank">mail@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>]<br>
>> *Enviado el:* domingo, 13 de octubre de 2013 15:53<br>
>> *Hasta:* ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
>> *Asunto:* [Chapter-delegates] Chapter Advisory Council - creation of an<br>
>> Interim Steering Committee<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Good Evening:<br>
>><br>
>> /> The ISOC Board of Trustees … acknowledged the right of Chapters to<br>
>> form an advisory group/<br>
>><br>
>> Further to the Note to Chapters that we have all received from Walda<br>
>> Roseman, I suggest that it is now down to the Chapters ourselves to<br>
>> initiate the organisation of at the Chapters Advisory Council.<br>
>><br>
>> To this effect, I would be prepared to take on the röle of Convenor of<br>
>> an Interim Steering Committee for the creation of the Chapters Advisory<br>
>> Council. If that would be acceptable, I would be glad to see expressions<br>
>> of interest to participate in the Steering Group posted to the Chapters<br>
>> Delegates List. In the first instance, the Steering Group should<br>
>> comprise at least one recognised member from each of the principal<br>
>> geographical regions. The initial objective might be to work towards a<br>
>> first plenary meeting of the Council in mid-2014, for instance in London.<br>
>><br>
>> With best regards to you all,<br>
>><br>
>> Christopher Wilkinson<br>
>><br>
>> PS:For those of you who do not know me, I initiated the discussion about<br>
>> Chapter membership of ISOC in 2010 (and have had a stake in that since<br>
>> then).<br>
>> I am reasonably multilingual EN/FR/ES; and at 72 I have no interest in a<br>
>> longer-term commitment.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 01 Oct 2013, at 21:21, Walda Roseman <<a href="mailto:roseman@isoc.org" target="_blank">roseman@isoc.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:roseman@isoc.org" target="_blank">roseman@isoc.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
>> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
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