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ISOC Senegal Chapter <br>
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Alex<br>
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Le 27/09/13 13:05, Victor Ndonnang a écrit :<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A">+1
Ted,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">I’m following with great attention this
discussion initiated by the Cambodian Chapter intention to
leave the Internet society Great family which lead to the
old debate about ISOC’s direct financial support to
Chapters. Before I continue, I would like to clearly express
my opposition to that. For me, It is important and better
for ISOC HQ to empower Chapters rather than giving them
money. Chapters are not “national bureau” of the Internet
Society. ISOC Chapters and ISOC Global are partners who
share the same vision and the mission. The direct financial
support to Chapters for their administrative and running
costs will make the Chapters useless, dependent and
non-sustainable. If we put in place the systematic direct
financial support from ISOC HQ to Chapters, we will see many
useless Chapters flourish around the world only to benefit
to that direct financial support. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">The belonging to the ISOC great family comes
with advantages but also responsibilities. The Internet
Society is already supporting and empowering Chapters in
many ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">The community Grants programme gives priority
to Chapters projects<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">The Event funding programme which helps to keep
the Chapter active each year<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">The Web presence support<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">The travel support <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">Capacities Building and Leadership Program<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">International Handbook for Chapters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">Management Tools <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">Etc . You can read more on : <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/lead">http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/lead</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">All those programs are ways of “indirect”
financial support of ISOC to Chapters. Many will say it is
not enough, but for me It is enough! Chapters should search
for others sources of funding locally and International
using the prestige and add-value of been part of ISOC.
Chapters should think to create recurrent activities that
can generate revenues and help them be independent
financially and of course sustainable. I know Chapters are
non-profit organization or group, but been non-profit do not
means that we cannot generate revenues or sell our expertise
(gained from ISOC and others Chapters) and services locally.
For example, when we organize trainings, we can ask
participants for small participation fees and this can help
us overcome our administrative and running costs. But we can
only do this in a sustainable way when we are registered as
a legal entity in our respective country.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">Let come back to issue which brings this
discussion live: Making ISOC Cambodia Chapter a legal entity
in Cambodia. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">I know how It is difficult to establish a
non-profit organization in many countries, especially in
developing countries. When I started the “re-formation”
process of ISOC Cameroon Chapter, I made that goal my N°1
priority and which the help (time and money) of others
founding members, we achieved it. We had the choice at that
time to legalize the Cameroon Chapter as a NGO or
Association. The process to become an NGO was too
complicated, so we choice to be registered as an Association
(a sort of small NGO). This is very important because
Chapters can only be respected locally and interact freely
with government, private sector and other groups when they
are registered as a legal entity by the local administrative
authorities. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">Based on that experience, I suggest to our
Cambodia Chapter colleagues to explore all alternatives of
legal recognition in their country. Be registered as a NGO
is not the only way to become a legal non-profit
organization or entity, I hope this is true in Cambodia too.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">When the Chapter is registered as a legal
entity (NGO, Association…) in its respective country, it can
easily search or apply to local funding opportunities
(government grants, big national corporates grants…). The
formation an ISOC Chapter is a process and Chapter founding
members are aware during the process that ISOC HQ will not
be the only source of funding for the Chapter (that’s why
there is a mention about “Chapter supporters” in the
application form and means of funding the draft By-Laws).
Let’s search for others sources of funding and thanks the
ISOC HQ for all It is already offering us rather than
fighting for something which will make us useless. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">Sorry for the long email. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
lang="EN-US">Victor Ndonnang<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>De
la part de</b> Ted Mooney<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 26 septembre 2013 17:10<br>
<b>À :</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Recent
Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From
my perspective these are all very good thoughts that have
not only made me reconsider the way I speak to the
community at large, but also how to move forward with a
more productive dialog regarding administrative support
for Chapters. There are quite rightfully, many different
ideas how to proceed and as we all know, no single
framework will be effective in all cases. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The
first full meeting of the Chapter Administrative Support
Working Group (there have been conversations and emails
pulling the group together and agreeing an agenda) will
take place next week and there will be a report out to the
chapter delegates regarding the outcome and next steps. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Grigori
asked that someone address why direct financial support
was not immediately forthcoming. The reason is that at
this point, there isn't a sufficient amount of money to
assure fairness or even success, no fully developed plan
to assure buy-in or understand the impact, no measurement
or funds-accounting mechanisms. However, I fully expect
progress on all these fronts by the end of the year and
beyond. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Let
me also point out that a number of chapters have resolved
these issues on their own from which many lessons can be
learned. The autonomy of ISOC Chapters is a critical part
of your overall effectiveness and ability to drive our
mission locally. It comes with a high degree of
self-determination and a degree of self-sufficiency which
many of you have not only embraced, but insisted upon. I
ask you to please put aside past resentments regarding the
perception of ISOC as a "rich" organization when support
of our global mission on so many fronts requires
investment many times our capability. Senior leadership
of the Internet Society supports constant vigilance and
adjustment of our funding priorities to assure our
communities are armed as best they can be to support the
ISOC Global mission. These processes are neither quick
nor simple. But your voices are heard and are having an
impact, however glacial the speed of their implementation.
In this light, I call upon the Cambodian Chapter once
again, to reconsider it's decision to leave the Internet
Society and work on a plan for the short and long term
viability of our mission there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">With
great regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Shreedeep
Rayamajhi <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:weaker41@gmail.com">weaker41@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:26 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Eduardo Diaz <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>ISOC Chapter Delegates <<a
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Recent
Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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meant to say the communication can differ from people
and channel so it has be standardized and centralized
accordingly, the confusion in between the can create
problems <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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you be so kind in explaining the meaning of the
last sentence in your message? I can interpret
it in many different ways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Shreedeep
Rayamajhi <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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all<br>
<br>
We all are proud to be part of the
Internet society and to some extent it is
our pride and prestige to say we are
located through out the world. As said big
powers come with bigger Responsibilities
just like that we need to address the
issue of Cambodian chapter by every
possible means.It counts for every member
that stand for change and with such
situation ISOC can certainly help the
chapter. Its not just about the rules and
principle but on practical ground if there
is a possibility from the ISOC
headquarters then they should help because
it makes a difference. <br>
<br>
ISOC and its role model of economic
independence can be understood and the
pros and cons of funding a chapter is the
part of the ISOC board or whom it may be
concern but in reality if there is a
possibility for the Cambodian chapter to
help then ISOC should by all means.<br>
<br>
I think the communication in between the
chapters +chapter leaders+ISOC broad needs
to be neutralized in every possible way.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:28 AM,
Eduard Tric <<a
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few years ago , i had the
opportunity to participate in a
task force called "Isoc chapter of
the future".<br>
One of the conclusions was that
there has to be a balance between
what HQ offer to the capters
(direct financial support was
barley mentioned , among other
forms of support ) and what
chapters should provide to HQ
(some form of activity , or
growth).<br>
If direct financial support is not
an option, the "why" part should
be explained in detail.<br>
In that case , indirect support
should be enhanced (raise
community grants budget and
leadership training for chapter
key persons )<br>
Regards,<br>
Ed<br>
<br>
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Trimis: joi, 26 septembrie, 2013
3:07:04<br>
Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates]
Recent Correspondence from the
Cambodian Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dear All,<br>
from the formal point
"chapter" is a part of one
large structure. I<br>
think it is to have clearly
defined relations between
"Chapters" (or<br>
local ISOC structures) and
whom? I use "ISOC Global"
term, but may be<br>
"Management" or "HQ or "Board"
is better? For each of
proposed terms<br>
there is some uncertainty.<br>
<br>
After Cambodian declaration it
looks, that there only one
real way to<br>
draw attention to Chapter
problems.<br>
<br>
Btw, why it is such strong
negative reaction for direct
financial<br>
support? And as we see, there
is an expression " The issue
of the lack<br>
of direct financial transfers
is currently not among<br>
the solutions the Internet
Society can offer".<br>
<br>
Here we see the author: it
is the "Internet Society".<br>
Not the Board, not the
staff, not the management, not
ISOC Global,<br>
but the "Internet Society"<br>
Logically, I can understand,
that as a Chapter, our
Chapter was<br>
involved in some kind of
discussion on that point,
there was a voting<br>
procedure, and such decision
was approved by majority? But
we do not<br>
participated in such
procedure.<br>
On the the other hand, if the
Chapter is real "chapter" - a
part of a<br>
large structure the "Internet
Society" - it is not
necessary to ask<br>
Chapter's opinion.<br>
<br>
Clear definition of terms is
one of the strongest
requirements<br>
everywhere, I think it is one
of the most important points
today for<br>
ISOC community (also
undefined term).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Grigori Saghyan<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ISOC.AM"
target="_blank">ISOC.AM</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 26.09.2013 0:19, Elver Loho
wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> I haven't kept up with
this email list, but from what
I can gather<br>
> the Cambodian Chapter
wants to disassociate from
ISOC due to lack<br>
> of direct financial
support for the basic running
and operation of<br>
> the Chapter.<br>
><br>
> I do not speak for my
Chapter here, but personally I<br>
> wholeheartedly support
this gesture. If this happens,
then maybe,<br>
> just maybe, ISOC senior
staff will start taking the
issue of<br>
> providing support for
Chapters around the world
seriously.<br>
><br>
> Right now Chapters seem
to exist more as a way for
ISOC HQ to show<br>
> that they have support
and members around the world.
We're all<br>
> providing a sort of
legitimacy for the people at
the HQ. Do we get<br>
> something back for this?
Sort of. I mean, maybe. To
some degree.<br>
> Though here in Estonia
very few people have heard of
the Internet<br>
> Society while our own
local language brand carries a
lot of<br>
> weight. Your situation
may be different.<br>
><br>
> Meanwhile we're battling
with basic organizational
issues, because<br>
> we can't even afford to
keep up basic maintenance. At
times we're<br>
> even unable to reply to
government's requests for
comments on<br>
> pending legislation,
because we all have regular
jobs or businesses<br>
> to run. This has to end.
If what it takes is for one or
more<br>
> Chapters to secede from
the union, then so be it. If
the Cambodian<br>
> Chapter goes through with
this, I'm willing to put the
question of<br>
> secession up for debate
in our own Chapter.<br>
><br>
> I urge other Chapter
leaders to consider the same.<br>
><br>
> Best, Elver .ee<br>
><br>
> <a
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href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com"
target="_blank">elver.loho@gmail.com</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B372%205661%206933"
target="_blank">+372 5661
6933</a> skype: elver.loho<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 25 September 2013
22:56, Dave Burstein <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com"
target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>> Cambodian colleagues<br>
>><br>
>> I'm a board member in
New York and respect your
decision but urge<br>
>> you to keep working
to resolve this. The board of
ISOC is<br>
>> strongly committed to
working with chapters and
directed staff to<br>
>> improve things. If
that's broken down here, as it
seems, several<br>
>> board members are
surely willing to help. They
are dedicated,<br>
>> committed people who
make a point fo responding to
ISOC chapter<br>
>> members. I or a dozen
others on this list can
connect you if<br>
>> that makes things
easier.<br>
>><br>
>> They are all strong
and independent thinkers, most
with a no<br>
>> b______ attitude.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Ted<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for addressing
this; leaving it without
response would<br>
>> have been painful.
This is a crisis for the
goverance model of<br>
>> ISOC that needs to be
resolved at the highest level.
As you saw<br>
>> from this list, a
dozen other chapters think
this crucial to<br>
>> solve.<br>
>><br>
>> But "The issue of the
lack of direct financial
transfers is<br>
>> currently not among
the solutions the Internet
Society can offer"<br>
>> doesn't seem to the
point. Is there anything in
the ISOC charter<br>
>> that makes this
impossible? If so, please
point to it and people<br>
>> can bring it to the
board.<br>
>><br>
>> "Can" is the word you
used. I'm guessing this
actually is an<br>
>> administrative
decision made by the senior
staff, who can, if<br>
>> they choose, simply
reverse the decision. Staff
are constantly<br>
>> making financial
decisions an order of
magnitude greater. If<br>
>> staff feel they can't
do this without board
approval, that's easy<br>
>> to obtain if it's
important to ISOC. As many of
us know, most of<br>
>> the board members are
very accessible and dedicated
to solving<br>
>> ISOC problems if
necessary.<br>
>><br>
>> "Should" ISOC provide
the seed funding here,
necessary to get the<br>
>> chapter started on
the path to independence is
the real question.<br>
>> I'm sure there's a
lot more here than the
presumably modest sum<br>
>> to share some office
space. Likely, a shared or
cheap office<br>
>> space that fits the
legal requirements can be
obtained for less<br>
>> than the cost of
sending one more talking head
to IGF Bali.<br>
>> Nothing wrong with
IGF, but a slightly smaller
ISOC delegation<br>
>> isn't a fatal wound.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't know enough
to decide whether ISOC should
do more here<br>
>> and I'm sure there
are major issues that haven't
been discussed.<br>
>><br>
>> So let's draw in
Lynn, Walda or whomever else
actually has the<br>
>> power to make things
happen and prevent a deep
organizational<br>
>> problem.<br>
>><br>
>> db<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013
at 1:25 PM, Ted Mooney <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org"
target="_blank">mooney@isoc.org</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> To all Chapter
Delegates<br>
>>><br>
>>> ISOC Staff and,
in particular, Membership and
Services, are<br>
>>> saddened by the
recent decision and
communication from the<br>
>>> Cambodian Chapter
regarding their desire to
dissociate from the<br>
>>> Internet Society
for administrative and other
support concerns.<br>
>>> I believe,
however, there has been an
unfortunate<br>
>>> miscommunication.
The Chapter Development and
APAC staff have<br>
>>> reached out to
the Cambodian Chapter on
numerous occasions. As<br>
>>> many of you know,
our Chapter Development team
has worked with<br>
>>> other chapters to
help address issues nearly
identical to what<br>
>>> the Cambodian
Chapter is experiencing. Our
offer of<br>
>>> collaboration
remains.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The issue of the
lack of direct financial
transfers is<br>
>>> currently not
among the solutions the
Internet Society can<br>
>>> offer. There
are, nevertheless many other
avenues to address<br>
>>> the
administrative support of the
Chapter, which are both local<br>
>>> and long term.
Indeed Staff are working with
Chapter<br>
>>> volunteers and
have convened a new Chapter
Administrative<br>
>>> Support Working
Group to address this issue
broadly. We hope<br>
>>> the Cambodian
Chapter will reassess their
position and<br>
>>> re-engage with
ISOC staff as soon as
possible. Our Chapter<br>
>>> Development staff
will reach out once again to
the Cambodian<br>
>>> Chapter officers.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best regards,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ted Ted Mooney
Senior Director, Membership
& Services The<br>
>>> Internet Society
1775 Wiehle Avenue Reston, VA
20190 USA<br>
>>> Office: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20703-439-2774"
target="_blank">+1
703-439-2774</a> Cell: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20301-980-6446"
target="_blank">+1
301-980-6446</a> eMail:<br>
>>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org"
target="_blank">mooney@isoc.org</a><br>
>>><br>
>>>
_______________________________________________
As an Internet<br>
>>> Society Chapter
Officer you are automatically
subscribed to<br>
>>> this list, which
is regularly synchronized with
the Internet<br>
>>> Society Chapter
Portal (AMS): <a
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target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -- Editor, Fast Net
News, Net Policy News and A
Wireless Cloud<br>
>> Author with Jennie
Bourne DSL (Wiley, 2002) and
Web Video:<br>
>> Making It Great,
Getting It Noticed (Peachpit,
2008)<br>
>><br>
>>
_______________________________________________
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>> Society Chapter
Officer you are automatically
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regularly synchronized with
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>> Chapter Portal (AMS):
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>
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