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      ISOC Senegal Chapter <br>
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      Le 27/09/13 13:05, Victor Ndonnang a écrit :<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A">+1
            Ted,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">I’m following with great attention this
            discussion initiated by the Cambodian Chapter intention to
            leave the Internet society Great family which lead to the
            old debate about ISOC’s direct financial support to
            Chapters. Before I continue, I would like to clearly express
            my opposition to that. For me, It is important and better
            for ISOC HQ to empower Chapters rather than giving them
            money. Chapters are not “national bureau” of the Internet
            Society. ISOC Chapters and ISOC Global are partners who
            share the same vision and the mission. The direct financial
            support to Chapters for their administrative and running
            costs will make the Chapters useless, dependent and
            non-sustainable. If we put in place the systematic direct
            financial support from ISOC HQ to Chapters, we will see many
            useless Chapters flourish around the world only to benefit
            to that direct financial support. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">The belonging to the ISOC great family comes
            with advantages but also responsibilities. The Internet
            Society is already supporting and empowering Chapters in
            many ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
                style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">The community Grants programme gives priority
            to Chapters projects<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
                style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">The Event funding programme which helps to keep
            the Chapter active each year<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
                style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">The Web presence support<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">The travel support <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">Capacities Building and Leadership Program<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">International Handbook for Chapters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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                style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">Management Tools <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">Etc . You can read more on : <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/lead">http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/lead</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">All those programs are ways of “indirect”
            financial support of ISOC to Chapters. Many will say it is
            not enough, but for me It is enough! Chapters should search
            for others sources of funding locally and International
            using the prestige and add-value of been part of ISOC.
            Chapters should think to create recurrent activities that
            can generate revenues and help them be independent
            financially and of course sustainable. I know Chapters are
            non-profit organization or group, but been non-profit do not
            means that we cannot generate revenues or sell our expertise
            (gained from ISOC and others Chapters) and services locally.
            For example, when we organize trainings, we can ask
            participants for small participation fees and this can help
            us overcome our administrative and running costs. But we can
            only do this in a sustainable way when we are registered as
            a legal entity in our respective country.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">Let come back to issue which brings this
            discussion live: Making ISOC Cambodia Chapter a legal entity
            in Cambodia. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">I know how It is difficult to establish a
            non-profit organization in many countries, especially in
            developing countries. When I started the “re-formation”
            process of ISOC Cameroon Chapter, I made that goal my N°1
            priority and which the help (time and money) of others
            founding members, we achieved it. We had the choice at that
            time to legalize the Cameroon Chapter as a NGO or
            Association. The process to become an NGO was too
            complicated, so we choice to be registered as an Association
            (a sort of small NGO). This is very important because
            Chapters can only be respected locally and interact freely
            with government, private sector and other groups when they
            are registered as a legal entity by the local administrative
            authorities. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">Based on that experience, I suggest to our
            Cambodia Chapter colleagues to explore all alternatives of
            legal recognition in their country. Be registered as a NGO
            is not the only way to become a legal non-profit
            organization or entity, I hope this is true in Cambodia too.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">When the Chapter is registered as a legal
            entity (NGO, Association…) in its respective country, it can
            easily search or apply to local funding opportunities
            (government grants, big national corporates grants…). The
            formation an ISOC Chapter is a process and Chapter founding
            members are aware during the process that ISOC HQ will not
            be the only source of funding for the Chapter (that’s why
            there is a mention about “Chapter supporters” in the
            application form and means of funding the draft By-Laws).
            Let’s search for others sources of funding and thanks the
            ISOC HQ for all It is already offering us rather than
            fighting for something which will make us useless. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">Sorry for the long email. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#44546A"
            lang="EN-US">Victor Ndonnang<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>De
                  la part de</b> Ted Mooney<br>
                <b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 26 septembre 2013 17:10<br>
                <b>À :</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
                <b>Objet :</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Recent
                Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From
              my perspective these are all very good thoughts that have
              not only made me reconsider the way I speak to the
              community at large, but also how to move forward with a
              more productive dialog regarding administrative support
              for Chapters.  There are quite rightfully, many different
              ideas how to proceed and as we all know, no single
              framework will be effective in all cases.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The
              first full meeting of the Chapter Administrative Support
              Working Group (there have been conversations and emails
              pulling the group together and agreeing an agenda) will
              take place next week and there will be a report out to the
              chapter delegates regarding the outcome and next steps.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Grigori
              asked that someone address why direct financial support
              was not immediately forthcoming.  The reason is that at
              this point, there isn't a sufficient amount of money to
              assure fairness or even success, no fully developed plan
              to assure buy-in or understand the impact, no measurement
              or funds-accounting mechanisms.  However, I fully expect
              progress on all these fronts by the end of the year and
              beyond.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Let
              me also point out that a number of chapters have resolved
              these issues on their own from which many lessons can be
              learned.  The autonomy of ISOC Chapters is a critical part
              of your overall effectiveness and ability to drive our
              mission locally.  It comes with a high degree of
              self-determination and a degree of self-sufficiency which
              many of you have not only embraced, but insisted upon.  I
              ask you to please put aside past resentments regarding the
              perception of  ISOC as a "rich" organization when support
              of our global mission on so many fronts requires
              investment many times our capability.  Senior leadership
              of the Internet Society supports constant vigilance and
              adjustment of our funding priorities to assure our
              communities are armed as best they can be to support the
              ISOC Global mission.  These processes are neither quick
              nor simple.  But your voices are heard and are having an
              impact, however glacial the speed of their implementation.
               In this light, I call upon the Cambodian Chapter once
              again, to reconsider it's decision to leave the Internet
              Society and work on a plan for the short and long term
              viability of our mission there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">With
              great regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Ted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Ted
                  Mooney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Senior
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">1775
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Reston,
                  VA 20190 USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Office:
                  +1 703-439-2774<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Cell:
                  +1 301-980-6446<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">eMail:
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
              </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Shreedeep
              Rayamajhi <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:weaker41@gmail.com">weaker41@gmail.com</a>><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:26 AM<br>
              <b>To: </b>Eduardo Diaz <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>ISOC Chapter Delegates <<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Recent
              Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
                  meant to say the communication can differ from people
                  and channel so it has be standardized and centralized
                  accordingly, the confusion in between the can create
                  problems    <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br
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                  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Cheers
                    to Life <br>
                    Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br>
                    00977-9841374547(Nepal)<br>
                    00977-9851049683(Nepal) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
                    Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Eduardo Diaz <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Shreedeep:
                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Can
                        you be so kind in explaining the meaning of the
                        last sentence in your message? I can interpret
                        it in many different ways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">-ed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">President<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ISOC-Puerto
                        Rico<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
                            Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Shreedeep
                            Rayamajhi <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:weaker41@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">weaker41@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dear
                              all<br>
                              <br>
                              We all are proud to be part of the
                              Internet society and to some extent it is
                              our pride and prestige to say we are
                              located through out the world. As said big
                              powers come with bigger Responsibilities
                              just like that we need to address the
                              issue of Cambodian chapter by every
                              possible means.It counts for every member
                              that stand for change and with such
                              situation ISOC can certainly help the
                              chapter. Its not just about the rules and
                              principle but on practical ground if there
                              is a possibility from the ISOC
                              headquarters then they should help because
                              it makes a difference. <br>
                              <br>
                              ISOC and its role model of economic
                              independence can be understood and the
                              pros and cons of funding a chapter is the
                              part of the ISOC board or whom it may be
                              concern but in reality if there is a
                              possibility for the Cambodian chapter to
                              help then ISOC should by all means.<br>
                              <br>
                              I think the communication in between the
                              chapters +chapter leaders+ISOC broad needs
                              to be neutralized in every possible way. 
                              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Cheers
                                  to Life <br>
                                  Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br>
                                  00977-9841374547(Nepal)<br>
                                  00977-9851049683(Nepal) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    If you are not the intended
                                    recipient you are notified that
                                    disclosing, copying, distributing or
                                    taking any action in reliance on the
                                    contents of this information is
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
                                      Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:28 AM,
                                      Eduard Tric <<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:eduard.tric@isoc.ro"
                                        target="_blank">eduard.tric@isoc.ro</a>>
                                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">A
                                      few years ago , i had the
                                      opportunity to participate in a
                                      task force called "Isoc chapter of
                                      the future".<br>
                                      One of the conclusions was that
                                      there has to be a balance between
                                      what HQ offer to the capters
                                      (direct financial support was
                                      barley mentioned , among other
                                      forms of support ) and what
                                      chapters should provide to HQ
                                      (some form of activity , or
                                      growth).<br>
                                      If direct financial support is not
                                      an option, the "why" part should
                                      be explained in detail.<br>
                                      In that case , indirect support
                                      should be enhanced (raise
                                      community grants budget and
                                      leadership training for chapter
                                      key persons )<br>
                                      Regards,<br>
                                      Ed<br>
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                                      De la: "Grigori Saghyan" <<a
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                                      Trimis: joi, 26 septembrie, 2013
                                      3:07:04<br>
                                      Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates]
                                      Recent Correspondence from the
                                      Cambodian Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                          Dear All,<br>
                                          from the formal point
                                           "chapter" is a part of one
                                          large structure.  I<br>
                                          think it is to have clearly
                                          defined relations  between
                                          "Chapters" (or<br>
                                          local ISOC structures) and
                                          whom? I use "ISOC Global"
                                          term, but may be<br>
                                          "Management" or "HQ or "Board"
                                          is better? For each of
                                          proposed terms<br>
                                          there is some uncertainty.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          After Cambodian declaration it
                                          looks, that there only one
                                          real  way to<br>
                                          draw attention to Chapter
                                          problems.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Btw, why it is such strong
                                          negative reaction   for direct
                                          financial<br>
                                          support? And as we see, there
                                          is an expression " The issue
                                          of the lack<br>
                                          of direct financial transfers
                                          is currently not among<br>
                                          the solutions the Internet
                                          Society can offer".<br>
                                          <br>
                                           Here we  see the author:  it
                                          is the  "Internet Society".<br>
                                           Not the  Board, not the
                                          staff, not the management, not
                                          ISOC Global,<br>
                                          but the "Internet Society"<br>
                                           Logically,  I can understand,
                                           that as a  Chapter,  our
                                          Chapter was<br>
                                          involved in some kind of
                                          discussion on that point,
                                          there was a voting<br>
                                          procedure, and such decision
                                          was approved by majority?  But
                                          we do not<br>
                                          participated in such
                                          procedure.<br>
                                          On the the other hand, if the
                                          Chapter is real "chapter" - a
                                          part of a<br>
                                          large structure the "Internet
                                          Society"  - it is not
                                          necessary to ask<br>
                                          Chapter's opinion.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Clear definition of terms is
                                          one of the strongest
                                          requirements<br>
                                          everywhere, I think it is one
                                          of the most important points
                                          today for<br>
                                          ISOC community (also
                                           undefined  term).<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Grigori Saghyan<br>
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                                            target="_blank">ISOC.AM</a><br>
                                          <br>
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                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          On 26.09.2013 0:19, Elver Loho
                                          wrote:<br>
                                          > Hi all,<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > I haven't kept up with
                                          this email list, but from what
                                          I can gather<br>
                                          > the Cambodian Chapter
                                          wants to disassociate from
                                          ISOC due to lack<br>
                                          > of direct financial
                                          support for the basic running
                                          and operation of<br>
                                          > the Chapter.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > I do not speak for my
                                          Chapter here, but personally I<br>
                                          > wholeheartedly support
                                          this gesture. If this happens,
                                          then maybe,<br>
                                          > just maybe, ISOC senior
                                          staff will start taking the
                                          issue of<br>
                                          > providing support for
                                          Chapters around the world
                                          seriously.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > Right now Chapters seem
                                          to exist more as a way for
                                          ISOC HQ to show<br>
                                          > that they have support
                                          and members around the world.
                                          We're all<br>
                                          > providing a sort of
                                          legitimacy for the people at
                                          the HQ. Do we get<br>
                                          > something back for this?
                                          Sort of. I mean, maybe. To
                                          some degree.<br>
                                          > Though here in Estonia
                                          very few people have heard of
                                          the Internet<br>
                                          > Society while our own
                                          local language brand carries a
                                          lot of<br>
                                          > weight. Your situation
                                          may be different.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > Meanwhile we're battling
                                          with basic organizational
                                          issues, because<br>
                                          > we can't even afford to
                                          keep up basic maintenance. At
                                          times we're<br>
                                          > even unable to reply to
                                          government's requests for
                                          comments on<br>
                                          > pending legislation,
                                          because we all have regular
                                          jobs or businesses<br>
                                          > to run. This has to end.
                                          If what it takes is for one or
                                          more<br>
                                          > Chapters to secede from
                                          the union, then so be it. If
                                          the Cambodian<br>
                                          > Chapter goes through with
                                          this, I'm willing to put the
                                          question of<br>
                                          > secession up for debate
                                          in our own Chapter.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > I urge other Chapter
                                          leaders to consider the same.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > Best, Elver .ee<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > <a
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                                            href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank">elver.loho@gmail.com</a>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="tel:%2B372%205661%206933"
                                            target="_blank">+372 5661
                                            6933</a> skype: elver.loho<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > On 25 September 2013
                                          22:56, Dave Burstein <<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com"
                                            target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a>><br>
                                          > wrote:<br>
                                          >> Cambodian colleagues<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> I'm a board member in
                                          New York and respect your
                                          decision but urge<br>
                                          >> you to keep working
                                          to resolve this. The board of
                                          ISOC is<br>
                                          >> strongly committed to
                                          working with chapters and
                                          directed staff to<br>
                                          >> improve things. If
                                          that's broken down here, as it
                                          seems, several<br>
                                          >> board members are
                                          surely willing to help. They
                                          are dedicated,<br>
                                          >> committed people who
                                          make a point fo responding to
                                          ISOC chapter<br>
                                          >> members. I or a dozen
                                          others on this list can
                                          connect you if<br>
                                          >> that makes things
                                          easier.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> They are all strong
                                          and independent thinkers, most
                                          with a no<br>
                                          >> b______ attitude.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> Ted<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> Thanks for addressing
                                          this; leaving it without
                                          response would<br>
                                          >> have been painful.
                                          This is a crisis for the
                                          goverance model of<br>
                                          >> ISOC that needs to be
                                          resolved at the highest level.
                                          As you saw<br>
                                          >> from this list, a
                                          dozen other chapters think
                                          this crucial to<br>
                                          >> solve.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> But "The issue of the
                                          lack of direct financial
                                          transfers is<br>
                                          >> currently not among
                                          the solutions the Internet
                                          Society can offer"<br>
                                          >> doesn't seem to the
                                          point. Is there anything in
                                          the ISOC charter<br>
                                          >> that makes this
                                          impossible? If so, please
                                          point to it and people<br>
                                          >> can bring it to the
                                          board.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> "Can" is the word you
                                          used. I'm guessing this
                                          actually is an<br>
                                          >> administrative
                                          decision made by the senior
                                          staff, who can, if<br>
                                          >> they choose, simply
                                          reverse the decision. Staff
                                          are constantly<br>
                                          >> making financial
                                          decisions an order of
                                          magnitude greater.  If<br>
                                          >> staff feel they can't
                                          do this without board
                                          approval, that's easy<br>
                                          >> to obtain if it's
                                          important to ISOC. As many of
                                          us know, most of<br>
                                          >> the board members are
                                          very accessible and dedicated
                                          to solving<br>
                                          >> ISOC problems if
                                          necessary.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> "Should" ISOC provide
                                          the seed funding here,
                                          necessary to get the<br>
                                          >> chapter started on
                                          the path to independence is
                                          the real question.<br>
                                          >> I'm sure there's a
                                          lot more here than the
                                          presumably modest sum<br>
                                          >> to share some office
                                          space. Likely, a shared or
                                          cheap office<br>
                                          >> space that fits the
                                          legal requirements can be
                                          obtained for less<br>
                                          >> than the cost of
                                          sending one more talking head
                                          to IGF Bali.<br>
                                          >> Nothing wrong with
                                          IGF, but a slightly smaller
                                          ISOC delegation<br>
                                          >> isn't a fatal wound.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> I don't know enough
                                          to decide whether ISOC should
                                          do more here<br>
                                          >> and I'm sure there
                                          are major issues that haven't
                                          been discussed.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> So let's draw in
                                          Lynn, Walda or whomever else
                                          actually has the<br>
                                          >> power to make things
                                          happen and prevent a deep
                                          organizational<br>
                                          >> problem.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> db<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013
                                          at 1:25 PM, Ted Mooney <<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org"
                                            target="_blank">mooney@isoc.org</a>><br>
                                          >> wrote:<br>
                                          >>><br>
                                          >>> To all Chapter
                                          Delegates<br>
                                          >>><br>
                                          >>> ISOC Staff and,
                                          in particular, Membership and
                                          Services,  are<br>
                                          >>> saddened by the
                                          recent decision and
                                          communication from the<br>
                                          >>> Cambodian Chapter
                                          regarding their desire to
                                          dissociate from the<br>
                                          >>> Internet Society
                                          for administrative and other
                                          support concerns.<br>
                                          >>> I believe,
                                          however, there has been an
                                          unfortunate<br>
                                          >>> miscommunication.
                                           The Chapter Development and
                                          APAC staff  have<br>
                                          >>> reached out to
                                          the Cambodian Chapter on
                                          numerous occasions.  As<br>
                                          >>> many of you know,
                                          our Chapter Development team
                                          has worked with<br>
                                          >>> other chapters to
                                          help address issues nearly
                                          identical to what<br>
                                          >>> the Cambodian
                                          Chapter is experiencing.  Our
                                          offer of<br>
                                          >>> collaboration
                                          remains.<br>
                                          >>><br>
                                          >>> The issue of the
                                          lack of direct financial
                                          transfers is<br>
                                          >>> currently not
                                          among the solutions the
                                          Internet Society can<br>
                                          >>> offer.  There
                                          are, nevertheless many other
                                          avenues to address<br>
                                          >>> the
                                          administrative support of the
                                          Chapter, which are both local<br>
                                          >>> and long term.
                                           Indeed Staff are working with
                                          Chapter<br>
                                          >>> volunteers and
                                          have convened a new Chapter
                                          Administrative<br>
                                          >>> Support Working
                                          Group to address this issue
                                          broadly.  We hope<br>
                                          >>> the Cambodian
                                          Chapter will reassess their
                                          position and<br>
                                          >>> re-engage with
                                          ISOC staff as soon as
                                          possible. Our Chapter<br>
                                          >>> Development staff
                                          will reach out once again to
                                          the Cambodian<br>
                                          >>> Chapter officers.<br>
                                          >>><br>
                                          >>> Best regards,<br>
                                          >>><br>
                                          >>> Ted Ted Mooney
                                          Senior Director, Membership
                                          & Services The<br>
                                          >>> Internet Society
                                          1775 Wiehle Avenue Reston, VA
                                          20190 USA<br>
                                          >>> Office: <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="tel:%2B1%20703-439-2774"
                                            target="_blank">+1
                                            703-439-2774</a> Cell: <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="tel:%2B1%20301-980-6446"
                                            target="_blank">+1
                                            301-980-6446</a> eMail:<br>
                                          >>> <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org"
                                            target="_blank">mooney@isoc.org</a><br>
                                          >>><br>
                                          >>>
                                          _______________________________________________
                                          As an Internet<br>
                                          >>> Society Chapter
                                          Officer you are automatically
                                          subscribed to<br>
                                          >>> this list, which
                                          is regularly synchronized with
                                          the Internet<br>
                                          >>> Society Chapter
                                          Portal (AMS): <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="https://portal.isoc.org"
                                            target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> -- Editor, Fast Net
                                          News, Net Policy News and A
                                          Wireless Cloud<br>
                                          >> Author with Jennie
                                          Bourne  DSL (Wiley, 2002) and
                                          Web Video:<br>
                                          >> Making It Great,
                                          Getting It Noticed (Peachpit,
                                          2008)<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >>
                                          _______________________________________________
                                          As an Internet<br>
                                          >> Society Chapter
                                          Officer you are automatically
                                          subscribed to this<br>
                                          >> list, which is
                                          regularly synchronized with
                                          the Internet Society<br>
                                          >> Chapter Portal (AMS):
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="https://portal.isoc.org"
                                            target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
                                          >
                                          _______________________________________________
                                          As an Internet<br>
                                          > Society Chapter Officer
                                          you are automatically
                                          subscribed to this<br>
                                          > list, which is regularly
                                          synchronized with the Internet
                                          Society<br>
                                          > Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="https://portal.isoc.org"
                                            target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
                                          ><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          - --<br>
                                          Grigori Saghyan<br>
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a></pre>
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