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text="#000000"><div style="font-family: Avenir Next;">Veni<br><br>The
point is that it is ISOC that gets the revenue flows, not the chapters
nor a body or foundation promoting local Internet communities such as
chapters. So a chapter only gets access to the .org funds through ISOC.
It may well be that ISOC may have not been awarded .org franchise
without the chapters but there was no agreement with chapters on how any
revenues would be divided up.<br><br>There is a moral duty I think for
ISOC to develop local Internet communities and the not for profit sector
use of Internet and the .org revenues are very much part of that
opportunity. The chapters who supported the .org bid for ISOC would seem
a great place to focus on to deliver that mission. ISOC Trustees have
emphasised the broad thrust of this intent but so far implementation has
not been strong.<br><br>Bearing that in mind I would expect rather more
than 2-3% of ISOC budget for chapter led activities. But I was not
talking about that content led mission. I was limiting my comments to
bootstrapping a shared secretariat resource that Chapters could tap into
so volunteers are supported. I would be very disappointed if chapter
funding became dominated by "secretariat" or "admin" issues. Ideally we
need to try to keep overheads to a very small level as proportion of
overall spend. We should certainly be aiming to be in the top 10% of NFP
bodies in this regards. <br><br>best <br><br><br>Christian<br><br><br><span
style="white-space: pre;">> Christian,<br>> we have a similar
saying in Bulgaria, but the thing is that actually since the foundation
of the chapters, ISOC HQ has been benefiting much more from them, then
the chapters from the HQ.<br>> One example only - if it wasn't for
the chapters to drive the support from around the world towards HQ in
somewhere 2000, ISOC may have not received the .org, with all
consequences. One must remember, that ISOC had very strong competition,
which was technically equally or more skilled, and the thing they missed
was the overwhelming support from chapters, governments, academia,
non-profits around the world.<br>><br>> Some time ago someone here
suggested that ISOC allocates 2-3 % of their budget to support
chapters. I haven't heard any progress on that proposal. You?<br>><br>>
v.<br>><br>> On 09/29/13 06:04, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:<br>><br>>
Veni Markovski<br>> 29 September 2013 09:59<br>> Elver, and all,<br>>
Replace Estonia with Bulgaria , and I can sign it. <br>>
Isoc-Bulgaria had several projects running at the same time, and we were
having paid staff (many here know Julia and Dessi /Dragoslava/), as
well as GOOD stuff to achieve, among which:<br>> - Creative Commons
inBulgarian<br>> - changes in the Bulgarian telecom laws to become
internet-friendly<br>> - contributions to the ITU <br>> -
participation and reporting from ITU big events<br>> - get rid of
licenses and regulations of Internet services in the country<br>> -
using free and open source software for e-government<br>> - etc <br>><br>>
Isoc has contributed a tiny little fraction of our budget, and two
years ago, when we most needed support for fighting with the bad stuff
at the ITU, 3 chapters - Bulgaria, Poland and Armenia - asked for 7500
$. The request was turned down because "it has been too international" <br>>
I rest my case. <br>><br>><br>> On Sunday, September 29, 2013,
Elver Loho wrote:<br>><br>><br>> -- <br>> Best,<br>>
Veni<br>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://veni.com">http://veni.com</a><br>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://facebook.com/venimarkovski">https://facebook.com/venimarkovski</a><br>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/veni">https://twitter.com/veni</a><br>><br>> ***<br>> The opinions
expressed above are those of<br>> the author, not of any
organizations,<br>> associated with or related to him in<br>> any
given way.<br>> ***<br>><br>><br>> == Sent from my phone, so
any spelling mistakes are caused by the touchscreen keyboard.<br>>
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29 September 2013 08:59<br>> On 27 September 2013 16:05, Victor
Ndonnang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ndonnang@nvconsulting.biz"><ndonnang@nvconsulting.biz></a> wrote:<br>><br>> +1
Ted,<br>><br>> <br>><br>> I’m following with great
attention this discussion initiated by the Cambodian Chapter intention
to leave the Internet society Great family which lead to the old debate
about ISOC’s direct financial support to Chapters. Before I continue, I
would like to clearly express my opposition to that. For me, It is
important and better for ISOC HQ to empower Chapters rather than giving
them money. Chapters are not “national bureau” of the Internet Society.
ISOC Chapters and ISOC Global are partners who share the same vision and
the mission. The direct financial support to Chapters for their
administrative and running costs will make the Chapters useless,
dependent and non-sustainable. If we put in place the systematic direct
financial support from ISOC HQ to Chapters, we will see many useless
Chapters flourish around the world only to benefit to that direct
financial support.<br>><br>> <br>><br>> The
belonging to the ISOC great family comes with advantages but also
responsibilities. The Internet Society is already supporting and
empowering Chapters in many ways:<br>><br>> - The
community Grants programme gives priority to Chapters projects<br>><br>>
- The Event funding programme which helps to keep the Chapter
active each year<br>><br>> - The Web presence support<br>><br>>
- The travel support<br>><br>> - Capacities
Building and Leadership Program<br>><br>> -
International Handbook for Chapters<br>><br>> -
Management Tools<br>><br>> - Etc . You can read more on :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/lead">http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/lead</a><br>><br>>
All those programs are ways of “indirect” financial support of ISOC
to Chapters. Many will say it is not enough, but for me It is enough!
Chapters should search for others sources of funding locally and
International using the prestige and add-value of been part of ISOC.
Chapters should think to create recurrent activities that can generate
revenues and help them be independent financially and of course
sustainable. I know Chapters are non-profit organization or group, but
been non-profit do not means that we cannot generate revenues or sell
our expertise (gained from ISOC and others Chapters) and services
locally. For example, when we organize trainings, we can ask
participants for small participation fees and this can help us overcome
our administrative and running costs. But we can only do this in a
sustainable way when we are registered as a legal entity in our
respective country.<br>><br>><br>> The problem with all of
these measures you have enumerated above is that they require someone to
actually sit down, type out applications, organize the people, create a
structure for them to work in, and so forth. The problem with most NGOs
and, I suspect, with most Chapters is NOT that there aren't any sources
of funding available. The problem with most NGOs and, I suspect, with
most Chapters is that there isn't money to keep even a single person on
the payroll whose job it is to get that funding for all the projects. To
actually run things and organize.<br>><br>> We can have all the
meetings we want and we can decide whatever, but at some point someone
actually needs to sit down and get things done.<br>><br>> This
might sound like hyperbole, but steady funding from ISOC HQ to keep one
person on the payroll to run things would very likely be *more* valuable
than having access to five times more money as community grants or
travel support or event funding or whatever. There's a huge amount of
money available in all sorts of grants programs all over the world. The
problem isn't lack of project-based money. The problem is lack of money
for administrative and organizational tasks. You're all talking about
lack of funding, but you seem to be missing the most important aspect:
the kind of funding that's actually needed.<br>><br>> Here in
Estonia there's a ton of project-based money available, but almost zero
administrative funding. As a result there are NGOs where people apply
for funding everywhere and do all sorts of crazy and ineffective and
useless projects, which look good on paper, but are a waste of time.
Why? Because from each project they can extract the 20% administrative
overhead funding. And from that maybe a quarter is used for things that
actually need to get done. For things, which are truly important. Which
no funding committee really knows about or understands. Essentially of
project-based funds 5% is used to do important things while 95% is
wasted on ineffective and useless [insert your favorite cussword].<br>><br>>
Here in Estonia we could get money for doing conferences on
internet-related topics. We could get money for publishing. We could get
money to do media projects and online education. We might even get
money for doing some cool and innovative web service, which nobody will
use. Lots of funding available for all of that. And it's all fairly
ineffective and the results are hard to measure beyond "we did X". So
what is it that really needs to get done? In one word: lobbying.
Analysing pending legislation, going to meetings, talking to politicians
and civil servants. That's where the problems are, that's where you get
actual measurable results. Is there money for this? Nope. Zero. No
money whatsoever.<br>><br>> So in essence the problems are the
following:<br>><br>> 1. You are funding the wrong things. If you
want the world to change for the better, then ISOC Chapters around the
world need to be effective at lobbying their governments to adopt all
the fine principles for which we joined ISOC in the first place. If we
aren't even capable of that, then why are we even here?<br>><br>>
2. You are funding things in the wrong way. There is no shortage
whatsoever of project-based funding in the world. The way you get such
funding is by keeping someone on the payroll who can get it. That
payroll requirement creates a barrier of entry, which most Chapters are
unable to get over. So they languish. And nothing gets done. And people
get angry and threaten to dissolve their Chapters.<br>><br>> We've
had this discussion before. The problem is that as Chapter leaders we
are working on a voluntary basis (most of us, anyway), and we need to
get things done locally and in our workplace and so forth. We are busy
and we don't get paid to argue on this mailing list. So if we say that
we have a funding problem, then we get a nicely worded reply from the
ISOC HQ. And then we complain a bit more, and we get another nicely
worded reply from the ISOC HQ. Maybe a meeting happens at the HQ and
maybe someone proposes that someone look into it and maybe even a
committee is formed, or a working group, where ideas go to silently die.
And since we all, as Chapter leaders, have more important things to do,
we give up. We understand that it's an uphill battle trying to argue
with people who get paid to argue. I've seen it way too many times
trying to convince a politician to do the right thing -- he or she gets
paid and can run you around in circles all day long while you gotta
worry about where your next paycheck comes from.<br>><br>> The
Cambodian Chapter figured out how to turn the tables. By threatening
dissolution of their Chapter, they don't have to fight anymore. Now it's
the ISOC HQ that needs to find a solution and needs to do it quickly.
Maybe we all need to join the Cambodians out of solidarity. After all,
administrative funding is an issue for most of us, if not all.<br>><br>><br>>
Best,<br>> Elver<br>> .ee<br>><br>> <br>><br>> <br>><br>>
Let come back to issue which brings this discussion live: Making
ISOC Cambodia Chapter a legal entity in Cambodia.<br>><br>> I
know how It is difficult to establish a non-profit organization in many
countries, especially in developing countries. When I started the
“re-formation” process of ISOC Cameroon Chapter, I made that goal my N°1
priority and which the help (time and money) of others founding
members, we achieved it. We had the choice at that time to legalize the
Cameroon Chapter as a NGO or Association. The process to become an NGO
was too complicated, so we choice to be registered as an Association (a
sort of small NGO). This is very important because Chapters can only be
respected locally and interact freely with government, private sector
and other groups when they are registered as a legal entity by the local
administrative authorities.<br>><br>> Based on that
experience, I suggest to our Cambodia Chapter colleagues to explore all
alternatives of legal recognition in their country. Be registered as a
NGO is not the only way to become a legal non-profit organization or
entity, I hope this is true in Cambodia too.<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
When the Chapter is registered as a legal entity (NGO,
Association…) in its respective country, it can easily search or apply
to local funding opportunities (government grants, big national
corporates grants…). The formation an ISOC Chapter is a process and
Chapter founding members are aware during the process that ISOC HQ will
not be the only source of funding for the Chapter (that’s why there is a
mention about “Chapter supporters” in the application form and means of
funding the draft By-Laws). Let’s search for others sources of funding
and thanks the ISOC HQ for all It is already offering us rather than
fighting for something which will make us useless.<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
Sorry for the long email.<br>><br>> Best regards,<br>><br>>
Victor Ndonnang<br>><br>> <br>><br>> <br>><br>>
De : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] De la part de Ted
Mooney<br>> Envoyé : jeudi 26 septembre 2013 17:10<br>> À :
ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>> Objet : Re: [Chapter-delegates]
Recent Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
From my perspective these are all very good thoughts that have not
only made me reconsider the way I speak to the community at large, but
also how to move forward with a more productive dialog regarding
administrative support for Chapters. There are quite rightfully, many
different ideas how to proceed and as we all know, no single framework
will be effective in all cases. <br>><br>> <br>><br>>
The first full meeting of the Chapter Administrative Support Working
Group (there have been conversations and emails pulling the group
together and agreeing an agenda) will take place next week and there
will be a report out to the chapter delegates regarding the outcome and
next steps. <br>><br>> <br>><br>> Grigori asked
that someone address why direct financial support was not immediately
forthcoming. The reason is that at this point, there isn't a sufficient
amount of money to assure fairness or even success, no fully developed
plan to assure buy-in or understand the impact, no measurement or
funds-accounting mechanisms. However, I fully expect progress on all
these fronts by the end of the year and beyond. <br>><br>> <br>><br>>
Let me also point out that a number of chapters have resolved these
issues on their own from which many lessons can be learned. The
autonomy of ISOC Chapters is a critical part of your overall
effectiveness and ability to drive our mission locally. It comes with a
high degree of self-determination and a degree of self-sufficiency
which many of you have not only embraced, but insisted upon. I ask you
to please put aside past resentments regarding the perception of ISOC
as a "rich" organization when support of our global mission on so many
fronts requires investment many times our capability. Senior leadership
of the Internet Society supports constant vigilance and adjustment of
our funding priorities to assure our communities are armed as best they
can be to support the ISOC Global mission. These processes are neither
quick nor simple. But your voices are heard and are having an impact,
however glacial the speed of their implementation. In this light, I
call upon the Cambodian Chapter once again, to reconsider it's decision
to leave the Internet Society and work on a plan for the short and long
term viability of our mission there.<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
With great regards,<br>><br>> <br>><br>> Ted<br>><br>>
Ted Mooney<br>><br>> Senior Director, Membership &
Services<br>><br>> The Internet Society<br>><br>>
1775 Wiehle Avenue<br>><br>> Reston, VA 20190 USA<br>><br>>
Office: +1 703-439-2774<br>><br>> Cell: +1 301-980-6446<br>><br>>
eMail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org">mooney@isoc.org</a><br>><br>> <br>><br>>
From: Shreedeep Rayamajhi <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:weaker41@gmail.com"><weaker41@gmail.com></a><br>> Date:
Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:26 AM<br>> To: Eduardo Diaz
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"><eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com></a><br>> Cc: ISOC Chapter
Delegates <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>> Subject:
Re: [Chapter-delegates] Recent Correspondence from the Cambodian
Chapter<br>><br>> <br>><br>> I meant to say the
communication can differ from people and channel so it has be
standardized and centralized accordingly, the confusion in between the
can create problems <br>><br>><br>> Cheers to Life<br>>
Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br>> 00977-9841374547(Nepal)<br>>
00977-9851049683(Nepal)<br>><br>> 00977-9813900099<br>><br>>
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strictly prohibited.<br>><br>> <br>><br>> On Thu,
Sep 26, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Eduardo Diaz
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"><eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>><br>>
Shreedeep:<br>><br>> <br>><br>> Can you be so kind
in explaining the meaning of the last sentence in your message? I can
interpret it in many different ways.<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
Thanks<br>><br>> <br>><br>> -ed<br>><br>>
President<br>><br>> ISOC-Puerto Rico<br>><br>>
<br>><br>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Shreedeep
Rayamajhi <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:weaker41@gmail.com"><weaker41@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>><br>> Dear all<br>><br>>
We all are proud to be part of the Internet society and to some
extent it is our pride and prestige to say we are located through out
the world. As said big powers come with bigger Responsibilities just
like that we need to address the issue of Cambodian chapter by every
possible means.It counts for every member that stand for change and with
such situation ISOC can certainly help the chapter. Its not just about
the rules and principle but on practical ground if there is a
possibility from the ISOC headquarters then they should help because it
makes a difference. <br>><br>> ISOC and its role model of
economic independence can be understood and the pros and cons of funding
a chapter is the part of the ISOC board or whom it may be concern but
in reality if there is a possibility for the Cambodian chapter to help
then ISOC should by all means.<br>><br>> I think the
communication in between the chapters +chapter leaders+ISOC broad needs
to be neutralized in every possible way. <br>><br>><br>>
Cheers to Life<br>> Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br>>
00977-9841374547(Nepal)<br>> 00977-9851049683(Nepal)<br>><br>>
00977-9813900099<br>>
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<br>><br>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Eduard Tric
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eduard.tric@isoc.ro"><eduard.tric@isoc.ro></a> wrote:<br>><br>> A few years ago ,
i had the opportunity to participate in a task force called "Isoc
chapter of the future".<br>> One of the conclusions was that
there has to be a balance between what HQ offer to the capters (direct
financial support was barley mentioned , among other forms of support )
and what chapters should provide to HQ (some form of activity , or
growth).<br>> If direct financial support is not an option, the
"why" part should be explained in detail.<br>> In that case ,
indirect support should be enhanced (raise community grants budget and
leadership training for chapter key persons )<br>> Regards,<br>>
Ed<br>><br>> ----- Mesaj original -----<br>> De
la: "Grigori Saghyan" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gregor@arminco.com"><gregor@arminco.com></a><br>> Către:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>> Trimis: joi, 26
septembrie, 2013 3:07:04<br>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates]
Recent Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<br>><br>><br>>
Dear All,<br>> from the formal point "chapter" is a part of one
large structure. I<br>> think it is to have clearly defined
relations between "Chapters" (or<br>> local ISOC structures) and
whom? I use "ISOC Global" term, but may be<br>> "Management" or "HQ
or "Board" is better? For each of proposed terms<br>> there is some
uncertainty.<br>><br>> After Cambodian declaration it looks, that
there only one real way to<br>> draw attention to Chapter problems.<br>><br>>
Btw, why it is such strong negative reaction for direct financial<br>>
support? And as we see, there is an expression " The issue of the lack<br>>
of direct financial transfers is currently not among<br>> the
solutions the Internet Society can offer".<br>><br>> Here we see
the author: it is the "Internet Society".<br>> Not the Board,
not the staff, not the management, not ISOC Global,<br>> but the
"Internet Society"<br>> Logically, I can understand, that as a
Chapter, our Chapter was<br>> involved in some kind of discussion on
that point, there was a voting<br>> procedure, and such decision was
approved by majority? But we do not<br>> participated in such
procedure.<br>> On the the other hand, if the Chapter is real
"chapter" - a part of a<br>> large structure the "Internet Society" -
it is not necessary to ask<br>> Chapter's opinion.<br>><br>>
Clear definition of terms is one of the strongest requirements<br>>
everywhere, I think it is one of the most important points today for<br>>
ISOC community (also undefined term).<br>><br>><br>><br>>
Grigori Saghyan<br>> ISOC.AM<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>
On 26.09.2013 0:19, Elver Loho wrote:<br>> > Hi all,<br>><br>>
> I haven't kept up with this email list, but from what I can gather<br>>
> the Cambodian Chapter wants to disassociate from ISOC due to lack<br>>
> of direct financial support for the basic running and operation of<br>>
> the Chapter.<br>><br>> > I do not speak for my Chapter
here, but personally I<br>> > wholeheartedly support this gesture.
If this happens, then maybe,<br>> > just maybe, ISOC senior staff
will start taking the issue of<br>> > providing support for
Chapters around the world seriously.<br>><br>> > Right now
Chapters seem to exist more as a way for ISOC HQ to show<br>> >
that they have support and members around the world. We're all<br>>
> providing a sort of legitimacy for the people at the HQ. Do we get<br>>
> something back for this? Sort of. I mean, maybe. To some degree.<br>>
> Though here in Estonia very few people have heard of the Internet<br>>
> Society while our own local language brand carries a lot of<br>>
> weight. Your situation may be different.<br>><br>> >
Meanwhile we're battling with basic organizational issues, because<br>>
> we can't even afford to keep up basic maintenance. At times we're<br>>
> even unable to reply to government's requests for comments on<br>>
> pending legislation, because we all have regular jobs or
businesses<br>> > to run. This has to end. If what it takes is for
one or more<br>> > Chapters to secede from the union, then so be
it. If the Cambodian<br>> > Chapter goes through with this, I'm
willing to put the question of<br>> > secession up for debate in
our own Chapter.<br>><br>> > I urge other Chapter leaders to
consider the same.<br>><br>> > Best, Elver .ee<br>><br>>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com">elver.loho@gmail.com</a> +372 5661 6933 skype: elver.loho<br>><br>><br>>
> On 25 September 2013 22:56, Dave Burstein
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com"><daveb@dslprime.com></a><br>> > wrote:<br>> >>
Cambodian colleagues<br>> >><br>> >> I'm a board
member in New York and respect your decision but urge<br>> >>
you to keep working to resolve this. The board of ISOC is<br>>
>> strongly committed to working with chapters and directed staff
to<br>> >> improve things. If that's broken down here, as it
seems, several<br>> >> board members are surely willing to
help. They are dedicated,<br>> >> committed people who make a
point fo responding to ISOC chapter<br>> >> members. I or a
dozen others on this list can connect you if<br>> >> that makes
things easier.<br>> >><br>> >> They are all strong
and independent thinkers, most with a no<br>> >> b______
attitude.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Ted<br>>
>><br>> >> Thanks for addressing this; leaving it
without response would<br>> >> have been painful. This is a
crisis for the goverance model of<br>> >> ISOC that needs to be
resolved at the highest level. As you saw<br>> >> from this
list, a dozen other chapters think this crucial to<br>> >>
solve.<br>> >><br>> >> But "The issue of the lack of
direct financial transfers is<br>> >> currently not among the
solutions the Internet Society can offer"<br>> >> doesn't seem
to the point. Is there anything in the ISOC charter<br>> >>
that makes this impossible? If so, please point to it and people<br>>
>> can bring it to the board.<br>> >><br>> >>
"Can" is the word you used. I'm guessing this actually is an<br>>
>> administrative decision made by the senior staff, who can, if<br>>
>> they choose, simply reverse the decision. Staff are constantly<br>>
>> making financial decisions an order of magnitude greater. If<br>>
>> staff feel they can't do this without board approval, that's
easy<br>> >> to obtain if it's important to ISOC. As many of us
know, most of<br>> >> the board members are very accessible
and dedicated to solving<br>> >> ISOC problems if necessary.<br>>
>><br>> >> "Should" ISOC provide the seed funding here,
necessary to get the<br>> >> chapter started on the path to
independence is the real question.<br>> >> I'm sure there's a
lot more here than the presumably modest sum<br>> >> to share
some office space. Likely, a shared or cheap office<br>> >>
space that fits the legal requirements can be obtained for less<br>>
>> than the cost of sending one more talking head to IGF Bali.<br>>
>> Nothing wrong with IGF, but a slightly smaller ISOC delegation<br>>
>> isn't a fatal wound.<br>> >><br>> >> I don't
know enough to decide whether ISOC should do more here<br>> >>
and I'm sure there are major issues that haven't been discussed.<br>>
>><br>> >> So let's draw in Lynn, Walda or whomever else
actually has the<br>> >> power to make things happen and
prevent a deep organizational<br>> >> problem.<br>> >><br>>
>> db<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Wed,
Sep 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Ted Mooney <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org"><mooney@isoc.org></a><br>>
>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> To all Chapter
Delegates<br>> >>><br>> >>> ISOC Staff and, in
particular, Membership and Services, are<br>> >>> saddened
by the recent decision and communication from the<br>> >>>
Cambodian Chapter regarding their desire to dissociate from the<br>>
>>> Internet Society for administrative and other support
concerns.<br>> >>> I believe, however, there has been an
unfortunate<br>> >>> miscommunication. The Chapter
Development and APAC staff have<br>> >>> reached out to the
Cambodian Chapter on numerous occasions. As<br>> >>> many
of you know, our Chapter Development team has worked with<br>>
>>> other chapters to help address issues nearly identical to
what<br>> >>> the Cambodian Chapter is experiencing. Our
offer of<br>> >>> collaboration remains.<br>>
>>><br>> >>> The issue of the lack of direct
financial transfers is<br>> >>> currently not among the
solutions the Internet Society can<br>> >>> offer. There
are, nevertheless many other avenues to address<br>> >>> the
administrative support of the Chapter, which are both local<br>>
>>> and long term. Indeed Staff are working with Chapter<br>>
>>> volunteers and have convened a new Chapter Administrative<br>>
>>> Support Working Group to address this issue broadly. We
hope<br>> >>> the Cambodian Chapter will reassess their
position and<br>> >>> re-engage with ISOC staff as soon as
possible. Our Chapter<br>> >>> Development staff will reach
out once again to the Cambodian<br>> >>> Chapter officers.<br>>
>>><br>> >>> Best regards,<br>> >>><br>>
>>> Ted Ted Mooney Senior Director, Membership & Services
The<br>> >>> Internet Society 1775 Wiehle Avenue Reston, VA
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Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>> Victor Ndonnang<br>>
27 September 2013 14:05<br>><br>> +1 Ted,<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
I’m following with great attention this discussion initiated by the
Cambodian Chapter intention to leave the Internet society Great family
which lead to the old debate about ISOC’s direct financial support to
Chapters. Before I continue, I would like to clearly express my
opposition to that. For me, It is important and better for ISOC HQ to
empower Chapters rather than giving them money. Chapters are not
“national bureau” of the Internet Society. ISOC Chapters and ISOC Global
are partners who share the same vision and the mission. The direct
financial support to Chapters for their administrative and running costs
will make the Chapters useless, dependent and non-sustainable. If we
put in place the systematic direct financial support from ISOC HQ to
Chapters, we will see many useless Chapters flourish around the world
only to benefit to that direct financial support.<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
The belonging to the ISOC great family comes with advantages but also
responsibilities. The Internet Society is already supporting and
empowering Chapters in many ways:<br>><br>> - The community
Grants programme gives priority to Chapters projects<br>><br>> -
The Event funding programme which helps to keep the Chapter active
each year<br>><br>> - The Web presence support<br>><br>>
- The travel support<br>><br>> - Capacities Building
and Leadership Program<br>><br>> - International Handbook
for Chapters<br>><br>> - Management Tools<br>><br>> -
Etc . You can read more on :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/lead">http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/lead</a><br>><br>>
All those programs are ways of “indirect” financial support of ISOC to
Chapters. Many will say it is not enough, but for me It is enough!
Chapters should search for others sources of funding locally and
International using the prestige and add-value of been part of ISOC.
Chapters should think to create recurrent activities that can generate
revenues and help them be independent financially and of course
sustainable. I know Chapters are non-profit organization or group, but
been non-profit do not means that we cannot generate revenues or sell
our expertise (gained from ISOC and others Chapters) and services
locally. For example, when we organize trainings, we can ask
participants for small participation fees and this can help us overcome
our administrative and running costs. But we can only do this in a
sustainable way when we are registered as a legal entity in our
respective country.<br>><br>> <br>><br>> Let come back to
issue which brings this discussion live: Making ISOC Cambodia Chapter a
legal entity in Cambodia.<br>><br>> I know how It is difficult to
establish a non-profit organization in many countries, especially in
developing countries. When I started the “re-formation” process of ISOC
Cameroon Chapter, I made that goal my N°1 priority and which the help
(time and money) of others founding members, we achieved it. We had the
choice at that time to legalize the Cameroon Chapter as a NGO or
Association. The process to become an NGO was too complicated, so we
choice to be registered as an Association (a sort of small NGO). This is
very important because Chapters can only be respected locally and
interact freely with government, private sector and other groups when
they are registered as a legal entity by the local administrative
authorities.<br>><br>> Based on that experience, I suggest to our
Cambodia Chapter colleagues to explore all alternatives of legal
recognition in their country. Be registered as a NGO is not the only way
to become a legal non-profit organization or entity, I hope this is
true in Cambodia too.<br>><br>> <br>><br>> When the Chapter
is registered as a legal entity (NGO, Association…) in its respective
country, it can easily search or apply to local funding opportunities
(government grants, big national corporates grants…). The formation an
ISOC Chapter is a process and Chapter founding members are aware during
the process that ISOC HQ will not be the only source of funding for the
Chapter (that’s why there is a mention about “Chapter supporters” in the
application form and means of funding the draft By-Laws). Let’s search
for others sources of funding and thanks the ISOC HQ for all It is
already offering us rather than fighting for something which will make
us useless.<br>><br>> <br>><br>> Sorry for the long email.<br>><br>>
Best regards,<br>><br>> Victor Ndonnang<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
<br>><br>> De : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] De la part de Ted
Mooney<br>> Envoyé : jeudi 26 septembre 2013 17:10<br>> À : ISOC
Chapter Delegates<br>> Objet : Re: [Chapter-delegates] Recent
Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
From my perspective these are all very good thoughts that have not only
made me reconsider the way I speak to the community at large, but also
how to move forward with a more productive dialog regarding
administrative support for Chapters. There are quite rightfully, many
different ideas how to proceed and as we all know, no single framework
will be effective in all cases. <br>><br>> <br>><br>> The
first full meeting of the Chapter Administrative Support Working Group
(there have been conversations and emails pulling the group together and
agreeing an agenda) will take place next week and there will be a
report out to the chapter delegates regarding the outcome and next
steps. <br>><br>> <br>><br>> Grigori asked that someone
address why direct financial support was not immediately forthcoming.
The reason is that at this point, there isn't a sufficient amount of
money to assure fairness or even success, no fully developed plan to
assure buy-in or understand the impact, no measurement or
funds-accounting mechanisms. However, I fully expect progress on all
these fronts by the end of the year and beyond. <br>><br>> <br>><br>>
Let me also point out that a number of chapters have resolved these
issues on their own from which many lessons can be learned. The
autonomy of ISOC Chapters is a critical part of your overall
effectiveness and ability to drive our mission locally. It comes with a
high degree of self-determination and a degree of self-sufficiency
which many of you have not only embraced, but insisted upon. I ask you
to please put aside past resentments regarding the perception of ISOC
as a "rich" organization when support of our global mission on so many
fronts requires investment many times our capability. Senior leadership
of the Internet Society supports constant vigilance and adjustment of
our funding priorities to assure our communities are armed as best they
can be to support the ISOC Global mission. These processes are neither
quick nor simple. But your voices are heard and are having an impact,
however glacial the speed of their implementation. In this light, I
call upon the Cambodian Chapter once again, to reconsider it's decision
to leave the Internet Society and work on a plan for the short and long
term viability of our mission there.<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
With great regards,<br>><br>> <br>><br>> Ted<br>><br>>
Ted Mooney<br>><br>> Senior Director, Membership & Services<br>><br>>
The Internet Society<br>><br>> 1775 Wiehle Avenue<br>><br>>
Reston, VA 20190 USA<br>><br>> Office: +1 703-439-2774<br>><br>>
Cell: +1 301-980-6446<br>><br>> eMail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org">mooney@isoc.org</a><br>><br>>
<br>><br>> From: Shreedeep Rayamajhi <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:weaker41@gmail.com"><weaker41@gmail.com></a><br>>
Date: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:26 AM<br>> To: Eduardo Diaz
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"><eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com></a><br>> Cc: ISOC Chapter Delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>> Subject: Re:
[Chapter-delegates] Recent Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<br>><br>>
<br>><br>> I meant to say the communication can differ from
people and channel so it has be standardized and centralized
accordingly, the confusion in between the can create problems <br>><br>><br>>
Cheers to Life<br>> Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br>>
00977-9841374547(Nepal)<br>> 00977-9851049683(Nepal)<br>><br>>
00977-9813900099<br>><br>> +1(301)485-9395(US)<br>><br>><br>>
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Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Eduardo Diaz
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"><eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>><br>> Shreedeep:<br>><br>>
<br>><br>> Can you be so kind in explaining the meaning of the
last sentence in your message? I can interpret it in many different
ways.<br>><br>> <br>><br>> Thanks<br>><br>> <br>><br>>
-ed<br>><br>> President<br>><br>> ISOC-Puerto Rico<br>><br>>
<br>><br>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:weaker41@gmail.com"><weaker41@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>><br>> Dear all<br>><br>>
We all are proud to be part of the Internet society and to some extent
it is our pride and prestige to say we are located through out the
world. As said big powers come with bigger Responsibilities just like
that we need to address the issue of Cambodian chapter by every possible
means.It counts for every member that stand for change and with such
situation ISOC can certainly help the chapter. Its not just about the
rules and principle but on practical ground if there is a possibility
from the ISOC headquarters then they should help because it makes a
difference. <br>><br>> ISOC and its role model of economic
independence can be understood and the pros and cons of funding a
chapter is the part of the ISOC board or whom it may be concern but in
reality if there is a possibility for the Cambodian chapter to help then
ISOC should by all means.<br>><br>> I think the communication in
between the chapters +chapter leaders+ISOC broad needs to be neutralized
in every possible way. <br>><br>><br>> Cheers to Life<br>>
Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br>> 00977-9841374547(Nepal)<br>>
00977-9851049683(Nepal)<br>><br>> 00977-9813900099<br>>
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Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Eduard Tric <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eduard.tric@isoc.ro"><eduard.tric@isoc.ro></a>
wrote:<br>><br>> A few years ago , i had the opportunity to
participate in a task force called "Isoc chapter of the future".<br>>
One of the conclusions was that there has to be a balance between what
HQ offer to the capters (direct financial support was barley mentioned ,
among other forms of support ) and what chapters should provide to HQ
(some form of activity , or growth).<br>> If direct financial support
is not an option, the "why" part should be explained in detail.<br>>
In that case , indirect support should be enhanced (raise community
grants budget and leadership training for chapter key persons )<br>>
Regards,<br>> Ed<br>><br>> ----- Mesaj original -----<br>>
De la: "Grigori Saghyan" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gregor@arminco.com"><gregor@arminco.com></a><br>> Către:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>> Trimis: joi, 26 septembrie,
2013 3:07:04<br>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Recent
Correspondence from the Cambodian Chapter<br>><br>></span><br><blockquote
type="cite">Dear All,<br>from the formal point "chapter" is a part of
one large structure. I<br>think it is to have clearly defined
relations between "Chapters" (or<br>local ISOC structures) and whom? I
use "ISOC Global" term, but may be<br>"Management" or "HQ or "Board" is
better? For each of proposed terms<br>there is some uncertainty.<br><br>After
Cambodian declaration it looks, that there only one real way to<br>draw
attention to Chapter problems.<br><br>Btw, why it is such strong
negative reaction for direct financial<br>support? And as we see,
there is an expression " The issue of the lack<br>of direct financial
transfers is currently not among<br>the solutions the Internet Society
can offer".<br><br> Here we see the author: it is the "Internet
Society".<br> Not the Board, not the staff, not the management, not
ISOC Global,<br>but the "Internet Society"<br> Logically, I can
understand, that as a Chapter, our Chapter was<br>involved in some
kind of discussion on that point, there was a voting<br>procedure, and
such decision was approved by majority? But we do not<br>participated
in such procedure.<br>On the the other hand, if the Chapter is real
"chapter" - a part of a<br>large structure the "Internet Society" - it
is not necessary to ask<br>Chapter's opinion.<br><br>Clear definition of
terms is one of the strongest requirements<br>everywhere, I think it is
one of the most important points today for<br>ISOC community (also
undefined term).<br><br><br><br>Grigori Saghyan<br>ISOC.AM<br><br><br><br><br><br>On
26.09.2013 0:19, Elver Loho wrote:<br>> Hi all,<br><br>> I
haven't kept up with this email list, but from what I can gather<br>>
the Cambodian Chapter wants to disassociate from ISOC due to lack<br>>
of direct financial support for the basic running and operation of<br>>
the Chapter.<br><br>> I do not speak for my Chapter here, but
personally I<br>> wholeheartedly support this gesture. If this
happens, then maybe,<br>> just maybe, ISOC senior staff will start
taking the issue of<br>> providing support for Chapters around the
world seriously.<br><br>> Right now Chapters seem to exist more as a
way for ISOC HQ to show<br>> that they have support and members
around the world. We're all<br>> providing a sort of legitimacy for
the people at the HQ. Do we get<br>> something back for this? Sort
of. I mean, maybe. To some degree.<br>> Though here in Estonia very
few people have heard of the Internet<br>> Society while our own
local language brand carries a lot of<br>> weight. Your situation may
be different.<br><br>> Meanwhile we're battling with basic
organizational issues, because<br>> we can't even afford to keep up
basic maintenance. At times we're<br>> even unable to reply to
government's requests for comments on<br>> pending legislation,
because we all have regular jobs or businesses<br>> to run. This has
to end. If what it takes is for one or more<br>> Chapters to secede
from the union, then so be it. If the Cambodian<br>> Chapter goes
through with this, I'm willing to put the question of<br>> secession
up for debate in our own Chapter.<br><br>> I urge other Chapter
leaders to consider the same.<br><br>> Best, Elver .ee<br><br>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com">elver.loho@gmail.com</a> +372 5661 6933 skype: elver.loho<br><br><br>> On
25 September 2013 22:56, Dave Burstein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com"><daveb@dslprime.com></a><br>>
wrote:<br>>> Cambodian colleagues<br>>><br>>> I'm a
board member in New York and respect your decision but urge<br>>>
you to keep working to resolve this. The board of ISOC is<br>>>
strongly committed to working with chapters and directed staff to<br>>>
improve things. If that's broken down here, as it seems, several<br>>>
board members are surely willing to help. They are dedicated,<br>>>
committed people who make a point fo responding to ISOC chapter<br>>>
members. I or a dozen others on this list can connect you if<br>>>
that makes things easier.<br>>><br>>> They are all strong
and independent thinkers, most with a no<br>>> b______ attitude.<br>>><br>>><br>>>
Ted<br>>><br>>> Thanks for addressing this; leaving it
without response would<br>>> have been painful. This is a crisis
for the goverance model of<br>>> ISOC that needs to be resolved at
the highest level. As you saw<br>>> from this list, a dozen other
chapters think this crucial to<br>>> solve.<br>>><br>>>
But "The issue of the lack of direct financial transfers is<br>>>
currently not among the solutions the Internet Society can offer"<br>>>
doesn't seem to the point. Is there anything in the ISOC charter<br>>>
that makes this impossible? If so, please point to it and people<br>>>
can bring it to the board.<br>>><br>>> "Can" is the word
you used. I'm guessing this actually is an<br>>> administrative
decision made by the senior staff, who can, if<br>>> they choose,
simply reverse the decision. Staff are constantly<br>>> making
financial decisions an order of magnitude greater. If<br>>> staff
feel they can't do this without board approval, that's easy<br>>>
to obtain if it's important to ISOC. As many of us know, most of<br>>>
the board members are very accessible and dedicated to solving<br>>>
ISOC problems if necessary.<br>>><br>>> "Should" ISOC
provide the seed funding here, necessary to get the<br>>> chapter
started on the path to independence is the real question.<br>>>
I'm sure there's a lot more here than the presumably modest sum<br>>>
to share some office space. Likely, a shared or cheap office<br>>>
space that fits the legal requirements can be obtained for less<br>>>
than the cost of sending one more talking head to IGF Bali.<br>>>
Nothing wrong with IGF, but a slightly smaller ISOC delegation<br>>>
isn't a fatal wound.<br>>><br>>> I don't know enough to
decide whether ISOC should do more here<br>>> and I'm sure there
are major issues that haven't been discussed.<br>>><br>>> So
let's draw in Lynn, Walda or whomever else actually has the<br>>>
power to make things happen and prevent a deep organizational<br>>>
problem.<br>>><br>>> db<br>>><br>>><br>>>
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Ted Mooney <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org"><mooney@isoc.org></a><br>>>
wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> To all Chapter Delegates<br>>>><br>>>>
ISOC Staff and, in particular, Membership and Services, are<br>>>>
saddened by the recent decision and communication from the<br>>>>
Cambodian Chapter regarding their desire to dissociate from the<br>>>>
Internet Society for administrative and other support concerns.<br>>>>
I believe, however, there has been an unfortunate<br>>>>
miscommunication. The Chapter Development and APAC staff have<br>>>>
reached out to the Cambodian Chapter on numerous occasions. As<br>>>>
many of you know, our Chapter Development team has worked with<br>>>>
other chapters to help address issues nearly identical to what<br>>>>
the Cambodian Chapter is experiencing. Our offer of<br>>>>
collaboration remains.<br>>>><br>>>> The issue of the
lack of direct financial transfers is<br>>>> currently not
among the solutions the Internet Society can<br>>>> offer.
There are, nevertheless many other avenues to address<br>>>>
the administrative support of the Chapter, which are both local<br>>>>
and long term. Indeed Staff are working with Chapter<br>>>>
volunteers and have convened a new Chapter Administrative<br>>>>
Support Working Group to address this issue broadly. We hope<br>>>>
the Cambodian Chapter will reassess their position and<br>>>>
re-engage with ISOC staff as soon as possible. Our Chapter<br>>>>
Development staff will reach out once again to the Cambodian<br>>>>
Chapter officers.<br>>>><br>>>> Best regards,<br>>>><br>>>>
Ted Ted Mooney Senior Director, Membership & Services The<br>>>>
Internet Society 1775 Wiehle Avenue Reston, VA 20190 USA<br>>>>
Office: +1 703-439-2774 Cell: +1 301-980-6446 eMail:<br>>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org">mooney@isoc.org</a><br>>>><br>>>>
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Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>> Ted Mooney<br>>
26 September 2013 17:09<br>> From my perspective these are all very
good thoughts that have not only made me reconsider the way I speak to
the community at large, but also how to move forward with a more
productive dialog regarding administrative support for Chapters. There
are quite rightfully, many different ideas how to proceed and as we all
know, no single framework will be effective in all cases. <br>><br>>
The first full meeting of the Chapter Administrative Support Working
Group (there have been conversations and emails pulling the group
together and agreeing an agenda) will take place next week and there
will be a report out to the chapter delegates regarding the outcome and
next steps. <br>><br>> Grigori asked that someone address why
direct financial support was not immediately forthcoming. The reason is
that at this point, there isn't a sufficient amount of money to assure
fairness or even success, no fully developed plan to assure buy-in or
understand the impact, no measurement or funds-accounting mechanisms.
However, I fully expect progress on all these fronts by the end of the
year and beyond. <br>><br>> Let me also point out that a number
of chapters have resolved these issues on their own from which many
lessons can be learned. The autonomy of ISOC Chapters is a critical
part of your overall effectiveness and ability to drive our mission
locally. It comes with a high degree of self-determination and a degree
of self-sufficiency which many of you have not only embraced, but
insisted upon. I ask you to please put aside past resentments regarding
the perception of ISOC as a "rich" organization when support of our
global mission on so many fronts requires investment many times our
capability. Senior leadership of the Internet Society supports constant
vigilance and adjustment of our funding priorities to assure our
communities are armed as best they can be to support the ISOC Global
mission. These processes are neither quick nor simple. But your voices
are heard and are having an impact, however glacial the speed of their
implementation. In this light, I call upon the Cambodian Chapter once
again, to reconsider it's decision to leave the Internet Society and
work on a plan for the short and long term viability of our mission
there.<br>><br>> With great regards,<br>><br>> Ted<br>>
Ted Mooney<br>> Senior Director, Membership & Services<br>>
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eMail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mooney@isoc.org">mooney@isoc.org</a><br>><br>> From: Shreedeep Rayamajhi
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11:26 AM<br>> To: Eduardo Diaz <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"><eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com></a><br>>
Cc: ISOC Chapter Delegates <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Recent Correspondence from the
Cambodian Chapter<br>><br>> I meant to say the communication can
differ from people and channel so it has be standardized and centralized
accordingly, the confusion in between the can create problems <br>><br>>
Cheers to Life<br>> Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br>>
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