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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Michael,<br>
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A few emails ago, I was suggesting some clarification (following
Mark's email). It's now cristal clear for me!<br>
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I will ask my Board to support the Chapter!<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
Président
La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org">Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org</a></pre>
Le 2013-08-21 13:19, Michael Snell a écrit :<br>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Hi
Mark. Hope
things are well with you.</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"></span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </span><span
style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">Let
me try to address your concern
(and Peter Koch's concern). </span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </span><span
style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">From
ISOC’s website: “An Internet Society Chapter brings
together individual members of the Internet Society who
share an interest and
belief in the Internet Society’s principles and mission and
who are committed
to furthering the Internet Society’s goals and objectives
within your
geographic or special interest area.” The words “or special
interest area”
certainly seem to say that geography isn't the only thing
that can define an
ISOC chapter—as your chapter certainly demonstrates.</span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </span><span
style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">Our
interest area is global in
scope, not aligned with any particular geographic region.
Indeed, it would not
be wise to associate IPNSIG with any geographical region
because that would
inherently discourage membership from outside the region. To
paraphrase Paul
Brooks "If we're going to be a SIG or project associated
with a Chapter--
what chapter would you propose?" While relatively close to
the Jet
Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena (about 6-7 hours driving
time), that’s only
one of the geographical centers of research and interest in
interplanetary
networking. There are others centered on the East Coast, in
Sweden, in Ireland,
in Greece, in Australia and other locations around the
globe. Restricting it to a project
or SIG associated with the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter
(as it currently is)
makes it problematic to host events that do not limit
participation to the
Northern California region. We are planning a major IPN
event at Google HQ in
Mountain View next January—but we are also planning one in
the Washington, D.C.
area late next year, and have just started discussions with
the N4C community
in Europe about hosting an event there in 2015. We are doing
this precisely
because we recognize that our target audience and our
membership is global.</span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Beyond
that, technical concerns are
often not just technical. There is an important societal
concern element here
that is core to ISOC values: the openness and transparency
of the technical
standards that drive the Internet. It is not an issue today.
There really is no
Internet in outer space-- yet. But we believe there should
be, and that the
same openness, transparency and trust issues will exist. It
is not in the
interest of the people of the earth to have space data
communications remain
the prerogative of competing nation states.
Commercialization of space will not
supplant sovereign state "ownership" of space exploration
and eventual
use of space resources without it. </span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Work
done by IPNSIG members over the
past years has planted the seeds of this movement towards
transparency and
openness. Standards have been developed, not in secret
government labs-- but
under the auspices of IRTF. NASA has publicly released the
core IPN software as
open source code. The first chairman of IPNSIG (Adrian Hooke
from the Jet
Propulsion Laboratory) founded the Consultative Committee
for Space Data
systems, whose membership includes space agencies from
almost every
space-faring nation on the planet. That organization is in
the process of
adopting the Delay & Disruption Tolerant Networking
(DTN) suite of
protocols, which will foster cooperation and collaboration
by the world's space
agencies, and pave the way for a trusted, trustworthy space
infrastructure that
will allow for the peaceful exploration and potential use of
off-planet
resources. </span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Furthermore,
the application of
these DTN technologies towards solving terrestrial problems
is gaining
momentum. The N4C community in the European Union has
applied them towards
monitoring wildlife in remote regions, and there have been
several proposals to
use DTN to provide inexpensive, secure network services to
remote areas. </span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">We
believe that the interest and
impact of IPN is global, and that, therefore, a global ISOC
chapter is the best
solution to both allow interested parties access to the
chapter, and to allow
for global collaboration with regional chapters to further
the development and
deployment of DTN technologies. It deserves and needs a
chapter's resources
dedicated to it, rather than continuing as a project of SF
Bay ISOC. </span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Mike
Snell</span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">President,
San Francisco Bay Area
Chapter</span></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif;font-size:12pt;line-height:115%">Secretary/Treasurer,
IPNSIG</span></p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Urban,
Mark (CDC/OCOO/OCIO/ITSO) <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fka2@cdc.gov"
target="_blank">fka2@cdc.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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The Disability and Special Needs Chapter shares the same
concerns as <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ISOC.DE"
target="_blank">ISOC.DE</a>. As the only Global Chapter,
we can recognize the occasional need for a unique Chapter
environs. However, in our case, the reasoning for the
chapter was based upon unique societal needs, rather than a
technical interest. A nonvoting SIG (Special Interest
Group) might be the more appropriate venue for consideration
of these problems.<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Mark D. Urban<br>
Vice Chair, ISOC DSN Chapter.<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>
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On Behalf Of Peter Koch<br>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:22 AM<br>
To: ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form an
InterPlanetary Networking Chapter<br>
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 07:27:10AM +0000, Sabrina Wilmot
wrote:<br>
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> The following application for an InterPlanetary
Networking Chapter has been received. It is being sent
to this list for peer comment and review.<br>
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> FYI: The group had started their work in a Special
Interest Group ("IPNSIG") and is currently formally a
project of the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter. The
applicants state:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ISOC.DE"
target="_blank">ISOC.DE</a> applauds the initiative
with the greatest respect towards the well renowned
proponents. That said, we would like to ask for a
clarification regarding chapter eligibility.<br>
While there is at least one prominent example of a
non-geographic chapter, the initiative appears to be
more of a project nature than a cross region ISOC member
organisation. No doubt it deserves support from ISOC,
but we remain unconvinced that a chapter is the best
choice, strategically.<br>
<br>
-Peter Koch, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">ISOC.DE</a>,
Member of the Board
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