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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I Support this point. Hector<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Héctor Ariel Manoff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Vitale, Manoff & Feilbogen<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Viamonte 1145 10º Piso<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>C1053ABW Buenos Aires<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>República Argentina<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Te: (54-11) 4371-6100<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fax: (54-11) 4371-6365<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>E-mail: <a href="mailto:amanoff@vmf.com.ar"><span style='color:blue'>amanoff@vmf.com.ar</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Web: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.vmf.com.ar"><span lang=EN-US style='color:blue'>http://www.vmf.com.ar</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <b>En nombre de </b>Roque Gagliano<br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 05 de agosto de 2013 9:01<br><b>Para:</b> GABRIEL LATJOR NDOW<br><b>CC:</b> Chapter Delegates; durban-workshop-2013@elists.isoc.org<br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Durban-workshop-2013] I root server copy in Kigali, Rwanda .. ongoing installation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Gabriel,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I believe you have raised a very important issue. I was just discussing this point in private emails with ISOC staff.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>My question to them was: is there a clear directive from the leadership on when chapters needs to involved in ISOC global initiative? The answer I got was NO.<br><br>Personally, I believe that when the initiative start involving individual countries, the local chapters needs to be involved. So, if you are inviting a gov officer to the IETF or you are giving a talk on a country IGF preparation meeting, the local chapters needs to be involved.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Until there is no guidance from the ISOC leadership, you will depend on the good will of the staff person involved and on the relationship you build with them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Roque<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:42 PM, GABRIEL LATJOR NDOW <<a href="mailto:md@gambian.com" target="_blank">md@gambian.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Chris,<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>How can we ask Government to involve ISOC chapters in internet related issues in their respective countries if ISOC Global does not always involve those very chapters in the works that it is doing with those governments. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I fully concur with your astute observation! I have raised the same issue with the Africa Bureau on every occasion I have met with staff members. For instance, I learnt about the IXP project in my country a few days before a workshop was held in conjunction with the ministry of communications, ISOC Global (Jane Coffin, Dir. Int'l Strategy ISOC Global was in town) and the AU. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have also wondered why ISOC spends a great deal of time proselytizing on the multistakeholder model, and an open, unencumbered internet when some of the governments ISOC Global is cooperating with have no intention of adopting any of these core principles. The local chapters can have a strong influence in helping our governments and other stakeholders (ISPs etc...) adopt best practices (policies, technical,...) and values eschewed by ISOC, if they are empowered accordingly. This only makes sense for after all, we are on our home soil and understand better than any outsider the real issues on the ground.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hopefully, this will be considered going forward.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Latjor<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Gambia <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Chris Mulola wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Michuki,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Could you possibly probably give me an update on the I root server installation progress here in Rwanda, I got this info from Patrick <span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Fältström </span>(<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>paf@frobbit.se</span></a>) and thought that this could be a good thing for the chapter if you could at least involve us in this project.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is one of the things that keep governments away from chapters as they always realize that they can get every support from ISOC Global without going or having any interaction whatsoever from ISOC chapters, and that is where they say: what is the use of these chapters anyway?<br><br>I understand these might be contracts that ISOC wins on a global scale however by us chapters learning from an outsider that there is an ISOC project going on within our country makes us look like the least unprofessional team ever in our local internet community...sort of the last ones to be informed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>How can we ask Government to involve ISOC chapters in internet related issues in their respective countries if ISOC Global does not always involve those very chapters in the works that it is doing with those governments. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please let me for any comments, thanks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> .-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<br><br>Chris Mulola, President<br>ISOC Rwanda<br><br><br>Not everything that is faced can be changed. 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