<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi all</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I really support Gabriel's view as I consider the situation the same way. We faced the same situation here with the AU and ISOC coming withoutdirectly involving the local chapter. Indeed we were asked to make a speech and nothing else. I think it's a great mistake and as Gabriel said it we better understand the stakes here and chapters must be real actors in such projects.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Thanks</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times,
serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Roque Gagliano <rgaglian@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> GABRIEL LATJOR NDOW <md@gambian.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org>; durban-workshop-2013@elists.isoc.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 5 août 2013 12h01<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Durban-workshop-2013] I root server copy in Kigali, Rwanda .. ongoing installation<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv2049045353"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Gabriel,<br><br></div>I believe you have raised a very
important issue. I was just discussing this point in private emails with ISOC staff.<br><br></div>My question to them was: is there a clear directive from the leadership on when chapters needs to involved in ISOC global initiative? The answer I got was NO.<br>
<br>Personally, I believe that when the initiative start involving individual countries, the local chapters needs to be involved. So, if you are inviting a gov officer to the IETF or you are giving a talk on a country IGF preparation meeting, the local chapters needs to be involved.<br>
<br></div>Until there is no guidance from the ISOC leadership, you will depend on the good will of the staff person involved and on the relationship you build with them.<br><br></div>Roque<br><div><div><br><br>
</div></div></div><div class="yiv2049045353gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv2049045353gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:42 PM, GABRIEL LATJOR NDOW <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:md@gambian.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:md@gambian.com">md@gambian.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv2049045353gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;">Chris,<div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>How can we ask Government to involve ISOC chapters in internet related issues in their respective countries if ISOC Global does not always involve those very chapters in the works that it is doing with those governments. </div>
</div></blockquote><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div></div><div>I fully concur with your astute observation! I have raised the same issue with the Africa Bureau on every occasion I have met with staff members. For instance, I learnt about the IXP project in my country a few days before a workshop was held in conjunction with the ministry of communications, ISOC Global (Jane Coffin, Dir. Int'l Strategy ISOC Global was in town) and the AU. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I have also wondered why ISOC spends a great deal of time proselytizing on the multistakeholder model, and an open, unencumbered internet when some of the governments ISOC Global is cooperating with have no intention of adopting any of these core principles. The local chapters can have a strong influence in helping our governments and other stakeholders (ISPs etc...) adopt best practices (policies, technical,...) and values eschewed by ISOC, if they are empowered accordingly. This only makes sense for after all, we are on our home soil and understand better than any outsider the real issues on the ground.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hopefully, this will be considered going forward.</div><div><br></div><div>Latjor</div><div>Gambia <br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Chris Mulola wrote:</div>
<div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Michuki,</div><div><br></div><div>Could you possibly probably give me an update on the I root server installation progress here in Rwanda, I got this info from Patrick <span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Fältström </span>(<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank" href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">paf@frobbit.se</a>) and thought that this could be a good thing for the chapter if you could at least involve us in this project.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This is one of the things that keep governments away from chapters as they always realize that they can get every support from ISOC Global without going or having any interaction whatsoever from ISOC chapters, and that is where they say: what is the use of these chapters anyway?<br>
<br>I understand these might be contracts that ISOC wins on a global scale however by us chapters learning from an outsider that there is an ISOC project going on within our country makes us look like the least unprofessional team ever in our local internet community...sort of the last ones to be informed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>How can we ask Government to involve ISOC chapters in internet related issues in their respective countries if ISOC Global does not always involve those very chapters in the works that it is doing with those governments. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Please let me for any comments, thanks.</div><div><br></div><div> .-- </div>Best regards,<br><br>Chris Mulola, President<br>ISOC Rwanda<br><br><br>Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced. <i>(James Baldwin)</i>
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