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Needless to say, but still: +1. <br>
We keep on repeating in the last - how many? - years that the
chapters, being the natural allies of ISOC.org, are either not being
asked to help properly, or are not integrated enough in the work and
activities of HQ, <b>regardless</b> (stressing on that!) of the
fact that the individuals, dealing with the chapters are quote
skilled and great people.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/03/2013 15:04, Dr. Alejandro
Pisanty Baruch wrote:<br>
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<div>This - coordination between ISOC global-to-local and
chapters - continues to be a sore spot and as Latjor says, it
reflects negatively on the Society.</div>
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<div>And it can't be hidden when it happens.</div>
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<div>Yours,</div>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] en nombre de
GABRIEL LATJOR NDOW [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:md@gambian.com">md@gambian.com</a>]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 03 de agosto de 2013 13:42<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> Chris Mulola; Chapter Delegates<br>
<b>CC:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:durban-workshop-2013@elists.isoc.org">durban-workshop-2013@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
[Durban-workshop-2013] I root server copy in Kigali,
Rwanda .. ongoing installation<br>
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<div>Chris,
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<div>How can we ask Government to involve ISOC
chapters in internet related issues in their
respective countries if ISOC Global does not
always involve those very chapters in the works
that it is doing with those governments. </div>
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<div>I fully concur with your astute observation! I have
raised the same issue with the Africa Bureau on every
occasion I have met with staff members. For instance,
I learnt about the IXP project in my country a few
days before a workshop was held in conjunction with
the ministry of communications, ISOC Global (Jane
Coffin, Dir. Int'l Strategy ISOC Global was in town)
and the AU. </div>
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<div>I have also wondered why ISOC spends a great deal
of time proselytizing on the multistakeholder model,
and an open, unencumbered internet when some of the
governments ISOC Global is cooperating with have no
intention of adopting any of these core principles.
The local chapters can have a strong influence in
helping our governments and other stakeholders (ISPs
etc...) adopt best practices (policies, technical,...)
and values eschewed by ISOC, if they are empowered
accordingly. This only makes sense for after all, we
are on our home soil and understand better than any
outsider the real issues on the ground.</div>
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<div>Hopefully, this will be considered going forward.</div>
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<div>Latjor</div>
<div>Gambia <br>
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<div>On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Chris Mulola wrote:</div>
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<div>Hi Michuki,</div>
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<div>Could you possibly probably give me an
update on the I root server installation
progress here in Rwanda, I got this info from
Patrick <span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
font-size:14px">Fältström </span>(<a
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and thought that this could be a good thing
for the chapter if you could at least involve
us in this project.</div>
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<div>This is one of the things that keep
governments away from chapters as they always
realize that they can get every support from
ISOC Global without going or having any
interaction whatsoever from ISOC chapters, and
that is where they say: what is the use of
these chapters anyway?<br>
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I understand these might be contracts that
ISOC wins on a global scale however by us
chapters learning from an outsider that there
is an ISOC project going on within our country
makes us look like the least unprofessional
team ever in our local internet
community...sort of the last ones to be
informed.</div>
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<div>How can we ask Government to involve ISOC
chapters in internet related issues in their
respective countries if ISOC Global does not
always involve those very chapters in the
works that it is doing with those
governments. </div>
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<div>Please let me for any comments, thanks.</div>
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Best regards,<br>
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Chris Mulola, President<br>
ISOC Rwanda<br>
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nothing can be changed until it is faced.
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