<div dir="ltr"><div>Great session (I was in the room)! I think you all did a great job of outlining and highlighting some of the biggest problems - now we need to keep the conversation going and start finding real solutions! =)<br>
<br></div>~Chris<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Livingood, Jason <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com" target="_blank">Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 7/30/13 11:31 AM, "Joly MacFie" <<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com" target="_blank">joly@punkcast.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>This is just about to start. The panel will tackle the fundamental questions of how to avoid conflicting congestion fixes that screw up transmission protocols. Should be interesting.<br>
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<td><span style="display:none!important">joly posted: "Today, Tuesday July 29 2013 the Internet Society will present a briefing panel at IETF 87 in Berlin, topic: "Improving Internet Experience: All together, now." As Internet use and user expectations grow,
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<a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/ietf87isocbriefing" target="_blank"><img alt="ISOC @ IETF 87" src="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/isoc-ietf.png" style="max-width:100%;min-height:auto;margin-bottom:12px;clear:both;float:right;margin-left:1em;padding:4px;background-color:white;border:1px solid #ccc" border="0"></a>Today,
 Tuesday July 30 2013 the Internet Society will present a briefing panel at <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/5829" target="_blank">
IETF 87</a> in Berlin, topic: "<a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-87" target="_blank">Improving Internet Experience: All together, now</a>." As Internet use and user expectations
 grow, it is natural that network and service providers, as well as software developers, are all looking to provide the best experience possible for their users and customers. However, performance issues (especially those related to transient congestion) tend
 to have collateral effects. This is a case where local optimization strategies may, in fact, not lead to globally optimal network performance for a given activity. In fact, server or client software developers' assumptions about network conditions may lead
 to disastrously wrong choices in managing network traffic if software elsewhere in the network is making different and countervailing assumptions and choices.This panel will explore some of the different approaches being developed, between website, network
 transport and server developers, their assumptions about network performance and potential collision of strategies. Panelists will also further elaborate existing work in measuring and developing (and deploying!) standards-based transport layer strategies
 for robustly improving overall performance. Speakers include Stuart Cheshire of Apple, Jason Livingood of Comcast, and Patrick McManus of Mozilla. Internet Society Chief Internet Technology Officer Leslie Daigle will moderate. The session will be webcast live
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<strong>What</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-87" target="_blank">
Internet Society Briefing Panel @ IETF 87 - "Improving Internet Experience: All together, now."</a><br>
<strong>Where</strong>: InterContinental Hotel, Berlin, Germany<br>
<strong>When</strong>: Tuesday, 30 July 2013 11:45 am-12:45 pm CEST | 0945-1045 UTC | 0545-0645 EDT<br>
<strong>Program</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-87" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
http://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-87</a><br>
<strong>Webcast</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/ietf87isocbriefing" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/ietf87isocbriefing</a><br>
<strong>Audio stream</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="http://www.verilan.com/isoc.m3u" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
http://www.verilan.com/isoc.m3u</a><br>
<strong>Twitter</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=internetsociety" target="_blank">
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