<div dir="ltr"><div style>Allow, please, for a counterpoint. Not everybody believes that city TLDs deserve special status... or are necessary at all.</div><div><br></div><div style>Had the municipal government where I live considered a TLD I would have been at city hall actively opposing the effort; I was actively monitoring this. Thankfully Toronto -- which is <a href="http://www.intelligentcommunity.org/index.php?src=news&srctype=detail&category=Awards&refno=777">no slouch</a> in areas of local use, awareness and commercialisation of the Internet -- made no effort to get a TLD. Indeed, there is not a single Canadian cityTLD application also a source of pride.=(1).</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>While I encourage Thomas to advance this issue and welcome his passion, I am just as ready to make the point that community and public money/effort on a cityTLD is wasted, and would be much better spent on using existing-domain-name websites to increase civic engagement and access to information. There is NOTHING that could be done for New York residents in .nyc that could not be done under <a href="http://nyc.us">nyc.us</a>, <a href="http://nyc.org">nyc.org</a> <a href="http://newyork.org">newyork.org</a>, <a href="http://bigapple.net">bigapple.net</a> etc etc etc. I even notice that the city government already provides some listings for local businesses at <a href="http://nyc.gov">nyc.gov</a>!</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Most of the arguments I've heard in favour of CityTLDs, boil down to vanity or a sense of entitlement (a city of our stature <b>deserves</b> a TLD). IMO any city that truly is world class (whatever that means) does not need marketing trinkets such as TLDs to prove it.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>I'll be there on Friday. The issue is useful to debate; I've heard Thomas's case before and believe the rest of ISOC needs to heard it, but I challenge his assumptions. I believe that at very least non-community operations of city TLDs ought to be persuaded to create a reserved second-level domain -- say, community.nyc or civic.nyc or even connected.nyc -- reserved for the kind of community needs Tom envisions. This kind of thing could (and IMO should) be asserted into the Public Interest Commitments that all TLD applicants are being encouraged to do. But let there be no assumption that there is a sweeping agreement that City TLDs, as a subcategory are indeed anything more than municipal-government dot-brands. That ICANN demands munitipal government approval of cityTLD applications is further evidence of that status.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style> (1) I do not consider .quebec a cityTLD, but rather a geocultural/linguistic TLD akin to .cat -- and I support that.<br></div><div style><br></div><div style><div>Cheers,<br></div><div><br>
</div><div>- Evan</div><div><br></div></div><div style><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 June 2013 18:59, Rudi Vansnick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be" target="_blank">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Thomas,<div><br></div><div>Very good idea doing this session. However, as I'll be out of office, I will not be able to participate.</div>
<div>For what concerns .gent, .vlaanderen en .brussels, I can tell you that they are all 3 on track and will most probably be launched somewhere mid next year. If more details are required, I'll be back after 6/7 and will make myself available for additional information. For those going to Durban, you can catch me there.</div>
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<br><div><div>Op 26-jun.-2013, om 17:02 heeft Thomas Lowenhaupt <<a href="mailto:toml@communisphere.com" target="_blank">toml@communisphere.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div><div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote type="cite">
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Fellow Chapter Delegates,<br>
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This Friday, 3-4 PM EDT, there's to be an open session on the weekly
ISOC North American ISOC Chapter leaders hangout. I'd like to
encourage chapter leaders from North America and elsewhere to attend
and share their knowledge about public engagement in the planning
and ongoing governance of their city-TLDs. <br>
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I'll be there as a member of New York City's ".NYC Advisory Board"
to talk about public engagement here and looking for insight on how
things are going in other cities. I believe Miami, Boston, Las Vegas
and New York are the only U.S. cities to have had applications
submitted, and there's a Quebec submission from the north. I've sent
invitations to those on <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhVMdzMAZzUQdFFwTDlpTXJ6Q2psejdMUkFoZDdNaFE#gid=0" target="_blank">a
google doc</a> about the city-TLD applications that I've been
developing, but it's somewhat incomplete. Please invite others who
might have interest in the matter. (I'm especially interested in the
.boston application but have been unable to locate anyone there with
knowledge of its process.)<br>
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This is an open meeting so other matters will be discussed as well.
With Paul Brigner traveling, Joly MacFie will be at the controls.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Tom Lowenhaupt <br>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">ISOC
Contacts from the google doc </span>
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<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="mailto:uaew@eim.ae" target="_blank">uaew@eim.ae</a>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://isoc.nl/" target="_blank">http://isoc.nl/</a>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.isoc.cat/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.cat/</a>
<a href="mailto:info@isoc.cat" target="_blank">info@isoc.cat</a> </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.isoc.de/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.de/</a>
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<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Hans
Peter Dittler <a href="mailto:sek@isoc.de" target="_blank">sek@isoc.de</a></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.internetsociety.be/" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.be</a>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Rudi
Vansnick <a href="mailto:admin@isoc.be" target="_blank">admin@isoc.be</a> " <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="mailto:lajos.balint@niif.hu" target="_blank">lajos.balint@niif.hu</a>
<a href="http://www.isoc.cat/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.cat/</a> <a href="mailto:info@isoc.cat" target="_blank">info@isoc.cat</a> "
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.isoc.qa/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.qa/</a>
<a href="mailto:info@isoc.qa" target="_blank">info@isoc.qa</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="mailto:uaew@eim.ae" target="_blank">uaew@eim.ae</a>
<br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Tommi
Karttaavi <a href="mailto:president@isoc.fi" target="_blank">president@isoc.fi</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.isoc-e.org/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc-e.org</a>
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <a href="mailto:contact@isoc-e.org" target="_blank">contact@isoc-e.org</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.isoc-au.org.au/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc-au.org.au</a>
Narelle Clark <a href="mailto:ed@isoc-au.org.au" target="_blank">ed@isoc-au.org.au</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://isoc-ny.org/" target="_blank">http://isoc-ny.org</a>
<a href="mailto:admin@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank">admin@isoc-ny.org</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.isoc.fr/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.fr</a>
<a href="mailto:contact@isoc.fr" target="_blank">contact@isoc.fr</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.isocquebec.org/" target="_blank">http://www.isocquebec.org</a>
Louis Houle <a href="mailto:info@isocquebec.org" target="_blank">info@isocquebec.org</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"> <a href="http://www.isoc.it/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.it</a>
Stefano Trumpy <a href="mailto:web@isoc.it" target="_blank">web@isoc.it</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.isoc.se/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.se</a>
Predrag Mitrovic <a href="mailto:admin@isoc.se" target="_blank">admin@isoc.se</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"> <a href="http://www.isoc.org.tw/" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org.tw</a>
<a href="mailto:louk.chi@isoc.org.tw" target="_blank">louk.chi@isoc.org.tw</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.venus.gr.jp/wiki.cgi/isocjp?page=FrontPage" target="_blank">http://www.venus.gr.jp/wiki.cgi/isocjp?page=FrontPage</a>
HIROSHI ESAKI <a href="mailto:isoc-jp-rejuvenation@venus.gr.jp" target="_blank">isoc-jp-rejuvenation@venus.gr.jp</a> <br>
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.internetsociety.be/" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.be</a>
Rudi Vansnick <a href="mailto:admin@isoc.be" target="_blank">admin@isoc.be</a> <br>
</span></li>
</ul>
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<div>On 6/25/2013 11:35 PM, Joly MacFie
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<div dir="ltr">it's going to be an open session.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Thomas
Lowenhaupt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:toml@communisphere.com" target="_blank">toml@communisphere.com</a>></span>
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