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And, above all, any of this has little or nothing to do with the
balloons (pun not intended ;) ). <br>
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The research into low-cost alternatives for delivering broadband
services to sparsely populated and remote areas is, IMO, quite
relevant and something we should applaud.<br>
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regards<br>
<br>
Carlos<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/17/13 2:09 PM, Evan Leibovitch
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<div dir="ltr">Gary, the extent to which Google's efforts to
digitize every book is in the interest of readers, publishers,
authors and.or maybe none of them (and just Google's), is an
absolutely worthwhile debate. I would argue that most of its
ebook-related efforts to date, being generally DRM-free and
open, have been far more preferable to the directions in the
same realm taken by Apple, Amazon, and most publishers. Google
is most definitely NOT the company with monopoly power in this
field. Indeed, most of the areas in which Google is finding
conflict are those which Amazon and Apple may not consider
profitable enough but have at least the potential to create
public good. While doing so certainly serves its interests,
Google's ebook efforts have been pushing for a public commons
well beyond what Apple, Amazon and publishers would like.
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<div style="">BTW, the legal fights with Google have come not
from libraries -- who generally applaud its actions -- but
from independent authors' collectives who believe they should
be paid more for the digitizing of their works (even in cases
where the author can't be found). It's a legitimate grievance,
but its debate cannot help but bring into focus some of the
stupidity of current US copyright policy.</div>
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<div style="">In any case, if this is the debate to have, that's
fine. Let's just not conflate it with side-issues about
airborne access points etc.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 17 June 2013 16:55, Gary W Kenward <span
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<div>Some references:</div>
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Harvard librarian Robert Darnton apparently initiated the
backlash in 2009 with his New York Review of Books article
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2009/feb/12/google-the-future-of-books/"
target="_blank">Google & the Future of Books</a>".
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<div>Pamela Samuelson (Professor of Law at the University
of California, Berkeley) also published an article in
2009 on Huffington Post, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pamela-samuelson/google-books-is-not-a-lib_b_317518.html"
target="_blank">Google Books is Not a Library</a>"
(there are a series of articles on Huffington Post
concerning the Google Books saga from Prof. Samuelson on
the Huffington Post site).<br>
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<div>Darnton wrote a summary of the struggle around
Google Books in his 2011 article <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/apr/28/googles-loss-publics-gain/"
target="_blank">Google’s Loss: The Public’s Gain</a>.
The turn point for many was the issue of "fair use"
being determined by a sole commercial entity, namely
Google. </div>
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<div>Darnton went on to foster the creation of the <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://dp.la/"
target="_blank">Digital Public Library of America</a>,
launched April 18th of this year. So, for the
moment, the American public is ahead.</div>
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<div>I also found one book on the Google Books saga. I
haven't read it, but the on-line reviews appear
good.</div>
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<div>"The Battle for the Books: Inside Google’s Gambit
to Create the World’s Biggest Library", by Jeff John
Roberts. It's vailable on Amazon, Barnes & Noble
and Apple. The Amazon price is currently $2.90.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Gary</div>
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groups of people who have expressed
a concern over Google's growing
acquisition of information, as far
as I know, are the various library
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Source? I had thought libraries quite
keen on the book scanning project. Any
resistance has been from publishers and
authors.</div>
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