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My comment was against nurturing opinions out of press releases, be
them ISOC or anyone elses. And this is an ISOC ML, I also mentioned
the reports they will be making.<br>
<br>
Other sources will also be useful.<br>
<br>
regards<br>
<br>
Carlos<br>
<br>
On 5/18/13 2:54 AM, Saskia Kiisel wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">If you are saying that only and only ISOC materials
about the topic are relevant (and I'm not saying that it
isn't trustworthy enough nor that ISOC somehow lies!), than I
disagree. <br>
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<div style="">Sorry, but were all of my links press releases?
No. If you click on them, you can see that one was from <u>American
Society of International Law</u> (that short (I gave
intentionally short ones, because everyone don't have the time
to read 300 pages long and complicated law texts) analyze is
one of the best ones (IF you are saying that i'm "itu-phobic"
then I'm not, but i believe that the truth lies somewhere in
the middle), BUT yes, it's not the whole story). </div>
<div style="">Other link is from the international institute for
strategic studies, which is a <u>world-leading authority</u>
on global security, political risk and military conflict.
Another from Center for a New American Security, which mission
"... <span
style="font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px">is
to develop strong, pragmatic and principled national
security and defense policies.<u> Building on the expertise
and experience of its staff and advisors</u>, CNAS engages
policymakers, experts and the public with innovative,<u>
fact-based research</u>, ideas and analysis to shape and
elevate the national security debate. A key part of our
mission is to inform and prepare the national security
leaders of today and tomorrow.</span>"</div>
<div style=""><br>
</div>
<div style="">Other three links are more easier to read, but
says more or less the same thing. </div>
<div style=""><br>
</div>
<div style="">I just finished my university's thesis about the
ITU topic ("Internet governance as an example of efficiency of
Decision-making process of The International Telecommunication
Union") and I read many different views. What I learned about
the way? That we can't get an agreement if we can't agree on
the basics, on the terms and what they mean. I chose Wolfgang
Kleinwächter, because he has worked on that field about 20
years, and because his approach is narrower (including
elements that all are agreeing on - domain name, IP-addresses
and root server management) and because in my opinion he is
internationally respected professor.</div>
<div style=""><br>
</div>
<div style="">These links are saying more or less the same
things that ISOC are. But somewhat more humanly readable ways.
It is better to have more sources saying the same thing than
just one. </div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/18 GABRIEL LATJOR NDOW <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:md@gambian.com" target="_blank">md@gambian.com</a>></span><br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Very informative Saskia,
<div>Much appreciated.</div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div><br>
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<div>Gabriel</div>
</font></span>
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<div><br>
<div>
<div>On May 17, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Saskia Kiisel
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello everyone!
<div><br>
</div>
<div>People who aren't informed about internet
governance situation, I leave here some
articles, that might clear it for you.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Analyze about the WCIT-12 (World
Conference on International
Telecommunications, Dubai 2012):</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.asil.org/pdfs/insights/insight130207.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.asil.org/pdfs/insights/insight130207.pdf</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-comments/past-issues/volume-18-2012/december/internets-future-on-the-agenda-at-dubai-meeting/"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target="_blank">http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-comments/past-issues/volume-18-2012/december/internets-future-on-the-agenda-at-dubai-meeting/</a></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cnas.org/theinternetyalta"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target="_blank">http://www.cnas.org/theinternetyalta</a><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span><br>
</div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Some
explaining articles:</span></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121217_wcit_and_internet_governance_harmless_resolution_or_trojan_horse/"
target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121217_wcit_and_internet_governance_harmless_resolution_or_trojan_horse/</a><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/14/highlights-and-low-points-wcit"
target="_blank">http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/14/highlights-and-low-points-wcit</a><br>
</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/06/wcit-and-internet-it-all-comes"
target="_blank">http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/06/wcit-and-internet-it-all-comes</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And because there are many different
understanding about the internet governance,
then here is one of the versions of
Kleinwächters (who in my opinion is the
closest for defining it): <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1azN6E4CI"
target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1azN6E4CI</a>
(also explains a little bit of internet
governance history).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Why I'm talking about WCIT-12 and not
WTPF? - Well, to understand WTPF it is good
to know the pre-story for that. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All the best,</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/17 Grace Chng
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href="mailto:grace.chng1@gmail.com"
target="_blank">grace.chng1@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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I agree.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
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<div><br>
On 17 May, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Elver
Loho <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com"
target="_blank">elver.loho@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> I do not mean to sound
disrespectful, but could we have
human-language<br>
> summaries of press releases in
the future? From what I can decipher,<br>
> governments want more control
over the internet, we don't, we won
this<br>
> time, but we have to continue the
fight. Right?<br>
><br>
> It took me, like, fifteen minutes
to figure this out and I gotta get<br>
> up in seven hours to go on live
radio to talk about e-voting security<br>
> after a local Pirate Party
activist stole a public computer from
the<br>
> parliament building hoping to
uncover secret documents proving that<br>
> e-voting is rigged and then three
weeks later walked into a newspaper<br>
> office with it, having not found
anything, and is now missing and<br>
> wanted by the police, with the
computer, and the Pirate Party refuses<br>
> to kick him out.<br>
><br>
> Here's a photo of him with the
famous computer:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://boards.chan.ee/b/src/1368653567180.jpg"
target="_blank">http://boards.chan.ee/b/src/1368653567180.jpg</a><br>
><br>
> Anyway, it would save me some
time in the future.<br>
><br>
> And my actual point is that if we
want to engage people, then we need<br>
> to communicate in a way that
people understand. Considering that<br>
> English is not the native
language of the vast majority of us,
this is<br>
> doubly important.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Elver<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com"
target="_blank">elver.loho@gmail.com</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B372%205661%206933"
value="+37256616933" target="_blank">+372
5661 6933</a><br>
> skype: elver.loho<br>
><br>
> On 16 May 2013 23:56, Wende Cover
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cover@isoc.org"
target="_blank">cover@isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> ITU World Telecommunication
Policy Forum Closes Focused on
Continuing Open<br>
>> Dialogue<br>
>><br>
>> [Geneva, Switzerland - 16 May
2013] – Today, the World
Telecommunication<br>
>> Policy Forum (WTPF) came to a
close with robust debate among all<br>
>> stakeholders about the role
of government in Internet governance.<br>
>> Throughout the meeting, the
Internet Society participated in
dialogue that<br>
>> focused on several key areas,
including the significant role of
Internet<br>
>> exchange points as a means of
enhancing Internet connectivity, the
need for<br>
>> timely deployment of IPv6,
and the importance of the
multi-stakeholder model<br>
>> of Internet governance.<br>
>><br>
>> Six opinions were drafted by
a WTPF Informal Experts Group and
submitted to<br>
>> the meeting, addressing
topics such as capacity building, IP
addressing, and<br>
>> Internet governance. These
Opinions were discussed among all
participants:<br>
>> ITU member states and sector
members, civil society organizations,
and other<br>
>> key international
stakeholders. The inclusion of
stakeholders assisted in<br>
>> broadening the discussion to
allow for a more inclusive dialogue.
As a<br>
>> result, a vigorous debate
related to the role of governments in
the<br>
>> multi-stakeholder model
exhibited the importance of continued
discussions in<br>
>> a variety of fora.<br>
>><br>
>> “This week’s dialogue was a
significant step forward,” said Lynn
St. Amour,<br>
>> Internet Society President
and Chief Executive Officer. “We know
that the<br>
>> multi-stakeholder model has
served the Internet and individuals
across the<br>
>> world extraordinarily well,
leading to innovations and
infrastructure<br>
>> development that may not have
come about with a top-down model. We
welcome<br>
>> this open dialogue and hope
these discussions continue over the
coming<br>
>> months at forums such as the
Commission on Science and Technology
for<br>
>> Development and the Internet
Governance Forum in order that all
voices are<br>
>> heard.”<br>
>><br>
>> The Internet Society is a
global, nonprofit organization
dedicated to an<br>
>> open Internet for everyone.
The Internet Society is a strong
advocate of the<br>
>> multi-stakeholder model of
Internet governance because it is the
heart of<br>
>> the Internet’s architectural
foundation and has proven to be the
best way to<br>
>> ensure that the benefits of
the Internet are available to all.
Experience<br>
>> shows that public policy
processes that draw from a base of
community<br>
>> expertise are most effective
in creating the environment in which
Internet<br>
>> development and access can
flourish.<br>
>><br>
>> To read the Internet Society
submission to the WTPF, visit:<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internetsociety.org/doc/contribution-itu-2013-world-telecommunicationict-policy-forum"
target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.org/doc/contribution-itu-2013-world-telecommunicationict-policy-forum</a>.<br>
>><br>
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