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    My comment was against nurturing opinions out of press releases, be
    them ISOC or anyone elses. And this is an ISOC ML, I also mentioned
    the reports they will be making.<br>
    <br>
    Other sources will also be useful.<br>
    <br>
    regards<br>
    <br>
    Carlos<br>
    <br>
    On 5/18/13 2:54 AM, Saskia Kiisel wrote:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CANi_YV+=g3w3=2p_peuHP7HYt8Na=cwP5JEAX6QeDjf93W7-eg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">If you are saying that only and only ISOC materials
        about the topic are relevant (and I'm not saying that it
        isn't trustworthy enough nor that ISOC somehow lies!), than I
        disagree. <br>
        <div style=""><br>
        </div>
        <div style="">Sorry, but were all of my links press releases?
          No. If you click on them, you can see that one was from <u>American
            Society of International Law</u> (that short (I gave
          intentionally short ones, because everyone don't have the time
          to read 300 pages long and complicated law texts) analyze is
          one of the best ones (IF you are saying that i'm "itu-phobic"
          then I'm not, but i believe that the truth lies somewhere in
          the middle), BUT yes, it's not the whole story). </div>
        <div style="">Other link is from the international institute for
          strategic studies, which is a <u>world-leading authority</u>
          on global security, political risk and military conflict.
          Another from Center for a New American Security, which mission
          "... <span
            style="font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px">is
            to develop strong, pragmatic and principled national
            security and defense policies.<u> Building on the expertise
              and experience of its staff and advisors</u>, CNAS engages
            policymakers, experts and the public with innovative,<u>
              fact-based research</u>, ideas and analysis to shape and
            elevate the national security debate. A key part of our
            mission is to inform and prepare the national security
            leaders of today and tomorrow.</span>"</div>
        <div style=""><br>
        </div>
        <div style="">Other three links are more easier to read, but
          says more or less the same thing. </div>
        <div style=""><br>
        </div>
        <div style="">I just finished my university's thesis about the
          ITU topic ("Internet governance as an example of efficiency of
          Decision-making process of The International Telecommunication
          Union") and I read many different views. What I learned about
          the way? That we can't get an agreement if we can't agree on
          the basics, on the terms and what they mean. I chose Wolfgang
          Kleinwächter, because he has worked on that field about 20
          years, and because his approach is narrower (including
          elements that all are agreeing on - domain name, IP-addresses
          and root server management) and because in my opinion he is
          internationally respected professor.</div>
        <div style=""><br>
        </div>
        <div style="">These links are saying more or less the same
          things that ISOC are. But somewhat more humanly readable ways.
          It is better to have more sources saying the same thing than
          just one. </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/18 GABRIEL LATJOR NDOW <span
            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:md@gambian.com" target="_blank">md@gambian.com</a>></span><br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Very informative Saskia,
              <div>Much appreciated.</div>
              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Gabriel</div>
                </font></span>
              <div>
                <div class="h5">
                  <div><br>
                    <div>
                      <div>On May 17, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Saskia Kiisel
                        wrote:</div>
                      <br>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <div dir="ltr">Hello everyone!
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>People who aren't informed about internet
                            governance situation, I leave here some
                            articles, that might clear it for you.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Analyze about the WCIT-12 (World
                            Conference on International
                            Telecommunications, Dubai 2012):</div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.asil.org/pdfs/insights/insight130207.pdf"
                              target="_blank">http://www.asil.org/pdfs/insights/insight130207.pdf</a><br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-comments/past-issues/volume-18-2012/december/internets-future-on-the-agenda-at-dubai-meeting/"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target="_blank">http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-comments/past-issues/volume-18-2012/december/internets-future-on-the-agenda-at-dubai-meeting/</a></div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.cnas.org/theinternetyalta"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target="_blank">http://www.cnas.org/theinternetyalta</a><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><span
                              style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><span
                              style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Some
                              explaining articles:</span></div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121217_wcit_and_internet_governance_harmless_resolution_or_trojan_horse/"
                              target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121217_wcit_and_internet_governance_harmless_resolution_or_trojan_horse/</a><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/14/highlights-and-low-points-wcit"
                              target="_blank">http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/14/highlights-and-low-points-wcit</a><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/06/wcit-and-internet-it-all-comes"
                              target="_blank">http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/06/wcit-and-internet-it-all-comes</a><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>And because there are many different
                            understanding about the internet governance,
                            then here is one of the versions of
                            Kleinwächters (who in my opinion is the
                            closest for defining it): <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1azN6E4CI"
                              target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1azN6E4CI</a>
                            (also explains a little bit of internet
                            governance history).</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Why I'm talking about WCIT-12 and not
                            WTPF? - Well, to understand WTPF it is good
                            to know the pre-story for that. </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>All the best,</div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_extra">
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/17 Grace Chng
                            <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:grace.chng1@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">grace.chng1@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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                              I agree.<br>
                              <br>
                              Sent from my iPad<br>
                              <div>
                                <div><br>
                                  On 17 May, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Elver
                                  Loho <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">elver.loho@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <br>
                                  > I do not mean to sound
                                  disrespectful, but could we have
                                  human-language<br>
                                  > summaries of press releases in
                                  the future? From what I can decipher,<br>
                                  > governments want more control
                                  over the internet, we don't, we won
                                  this<br>
                                  > time, but we have to continue the
                                  fight. Right?<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > It took me, like, fifteen minutes
                                  to figure this out and I gotta get<br>
                                  > up in seven hours to go on live
                                  radio to talk about e-voting security<br>
                                  > after a local Pirate Party
                                  activist stole a public computer from
                                  the<br>
                                  > parliament building hoping to
                                  uncover secret documents proving that<br>
                                  > e-voting is rigged and then three
                                  weeks later walked into a newspaper<br>
                                  > office with it, having not found
                                  anything, and is now missing and<br>
                                  > wanted by the police, with the
                                  computer, and the Pirate Party refuses<br>
                                  > to kick him out.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Here's a photo of him with the
                                  famous computer:<br>
                                  > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://boards.chan.ee/b/src/1368653567180.jpg"
                                    target="_blank">http://boards.chan.ee/b/src/1368653567180.jpg</a><br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Anyway, it would save me some
                                  time in the future.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > And my actual point is that if we
                                  want to engage people, then we need<br>
                                  > to communicate in a way that
                                  people understand. Considering that<br>
                                  > English is not the native
                                  language of the vast majority of us,
                                  this is<br>
                                  > doubly important.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Best,<br>
                                  > Elver<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">elver.loho@gmail.com</a><br>
                                  > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="tel:%2B372%205661%206933"
                                    value="+37256616933" target="_blank">+372
                                    5661 6933</a><br>
                                  > skype: elver.loho<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > On 16 May 2013 23:56, Wende Cover
                                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:cover@isoc.org"
                                    target="_blank">cover@isoc.org</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  >> ITU World Telecommunication
                                  Policy Forum Closes Focused on
                                  Continuing Open<br>
                                  >> Dialogue<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> [Geneva, Switzerland - 16 May
                                  2013] – Today, the World
                                  Telecommunication<br>
                                  >> Policy Forum (WTPF) came to a
                                  close with robust debate among all<br>
                                  >> stakeholders about the role
                                  of government in Internet governance.<br>
                                  >> Throughout the meeting, the
                                  Internet Society participated in
                                  dialogue that<br>
                                  >> focused on several key areas,
                                  including the significant role of
                                  Internet<br>
                                  >> exchange points as a means of
                                  enhancing Internet connectivity, the
                                  need for<br>
                                  >> timely deployment of IPv6,
                                  and the importance of the
                                  multi-stakeholder model<br>
                                  >> of Internet governance.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Six opinions were drafted by
                                  a WTPF Informal Experts Group and
                                  submitted to<br>
                                  >> the meeting, addressing
                                  topics such as capacity building, IP
                                  addressing, and<br>
                                  >> Internet governance.  These
                                  Opinions were discussed among all
                                  participants:<br>
                                  >> ITU member states and sector
                                  members, civil society organizations,
                                  and other<br>
                                  >> key international
                                  stakeholders. The inclusion of
                                  stakeholders assisted in<br>
                                  >> broadening the discussion to
                                  allow for a more inclusive dialogue.
                                   As a<br>
                                  >> result, a vigorous debate
                                  related to the role of governments in
                                  the<br>
                                  >> multi-stakeholder model
                                  exhibited the importance of continued
                                  discussions in<br>
                                  >> a variety of fora.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> “This week’s dialogue was a
                                  significant step forward,” said Lynn
                                  St. Amour,<br>
                                  >> Internet Society President
                                  and Chief Executive Officer.  “We know
                                  that the<br>
                                  >> multi-stakeholder model has
                                  served the Internet and individuals
                                  across the<br>
                                  >> world extraordinarily well,
                                  leading to innovations and
                                  infrastructure<br>
                                  >> development that may not have
                                  come about with a top-down model. We
                                  welcome<br>
                                  >> this open dialogue and hope
                                  these discussions continue over the
                                  coming<br>
                                  >> months at forums such as the
                                  Commission on Science and Technology
                                  for<br>
                                  >> Development and the Internet
                                  Governance Forum in order that all
                                  voices are<br>
                                  >> heard.”<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> The Internet Society is a
                                  global, nonprofit organization
                                  dedicated to an<br>
                                  >> open Internet for everyone.
                                  The Internet Society is a strong
                                  advocate of the<br>
                                  >> multi-stakeholder model of
                                  Internet governance because it is the
                                  heart of<br>
                                  >> the Internet’s architectural
                                  foundation and has proven to be the
                                  best way to<br>
                                  >> ensure that the benefits of
                                  the Internet are available to all.
                                   Experience<br>
                                  >> shows that public policy
                                  processes that draw from a base of
                                  community<br>
                                  >> expertise are most effective
                                  in creating the environment in which
                                  Internet<br>
                                  >> development and access can
                                  flourish.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> To read the Internet Society
                                  submission to the WTPF, visit:<br>
                                  >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internetsociety.org/doc/contribution-itu-2013-world-telecommunicationict-policy-forum"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.org/doc/contribution-itu-2013-world-telecommunicationict-policy-forum</a>.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >>
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                                Kiisel<br>
                                <br>
                                Juhatuse esimees | Chairman of the
                                Board <br>
                                MTÜ Eesti Interneti Kogukond | ASBL
                                Estonian Internet Community<br>
                                Internet Society Estonia Chapter<br>
                              </i><i><br>
                                Tel <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:%2B372%205382%202723"
                                  value="+37253822723" target="_blank">+372
                                  5382 2723</a><br>
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              Kiisel<br>
              <br>
              Juhatuse esimees | Chairman of the Board <br>
              MTÜ Eesti Interneti Kogukond | ASBL Estonian Internet
              Community<br>
              Internet Society Estonia Chapter<br>
            </i><i><br>
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