<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I support Eric's call for a the views and discussion on this list. While it will surprise no one to say that nothing will be done quickly, I would like to work with Chapter leaders to develop a long term support plan for the Internet Society that takes these needs and ideas into consideration, indeed as a foundation. I'm making no commitment that once a plan is developed it will be fully implemented. Such a decision is at the highest levels. However, without a proposal that is complete and well thought-out, the likely outcome is quite diminished. So I am collecting these ideas for the moment and will discuss alternatives for moving forward with ISOC Execs.<div><br></div><div>All the best,<br><div><br></div><div>Ted<br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Eric Burger <<a href="mailto:eburger@standardstrack.com">eburger@standardstrack.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">What does support look like?<div><ol><li>Does ISOC Global directly hire 92 part-time staff and distribute them around the world? Is this an efficient use of ISOC resources? Do all chapters need or want support? Do chapters want but do not need support? Are there chapters that need and want support? How do we tell the difference?</li><li>Does ISOC Global pour money into all of the chapters? How much? Why? What for? How is it accounted for? Is it legal, both from a donor perspective (a non-profit's funds cannot be used to enrich an individual) and a recipient perspective (many countries bar a non-profit from receiving foreign funds)?</li><li>Does ISOC Global use the franchise model, and provide central services that chapters chose to use? This has the benefits of economies of scale and flexibility, but is it OK if it makes only 90% of the chapters happy?</li></ol><div>This discussion is timely and important - let us hear your views!</div></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:45 AM, sylvain aboka baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco2001@yahoo.fr">abscoco2001@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; "><div style="font-size: 14pt;"><span><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 14pt;"></div><div style="font-size: 14pt;"> Hi Veni, hi Elver, hi All,</div><div style="font-size: 14pt;"> +1 veni, you are right, the chapters need the back<span style="font-size: 14pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 14pt;">support</span><span style="font-size: 14pt;"> of ISOC Global now. Thanks to Elver, to speak aloud what all are just thinking in dear mind... (y)</span></div><div style="font-size: 14pt;"></div><div style="font-size: 14pt;"><b><i><span style="font-size:16.0pt;"></span></i></b></div><div class="yiv1959699406MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><b style="color:rgb(0, 64, 127);"><i><span style="font-size:16pt;"><br></span></i></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="yiv1959699406MsoNormal"><font><div class="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_20_1362042638137_57 yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_18_1362042638137_152
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yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1362235747802_62" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;"><div id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_1_1360769454858_38285" class="yiv1201279859gmail_quote"><font size="3">En date du </font><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Mardi 12 mars 2013 12h23</span><span id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_18_1362042638137_220" style="font-size: 12pt;">, </span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Arial;">Veni Markovski <<a href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>></span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="2"> a écrit </font></span><span id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_18_1362042638137_213" style="font-size: 12pt;">:</span></div><div id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_1_1360769454858_38285" class="yiv1201279859gmail_quote" style="font-size: 12pt;"><blockquote id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_1_1360769454858_38284" class="yiv1201279859gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204,
204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_1_1360769454858_38283" style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_1_1360769454858_38299"><div id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_17_1360769454858_255" dir="ltr"><div id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1360777862231_84"><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><b><i><span style="font-size: 16pt; color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"></span></i></b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><b><i><span style="font-size: 16pt; color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"></span></i></b></div><div class="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1360777862231_90 yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1361532270763_62" id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1360777862231_91" style="font-size: 14pt;"><div id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1360777862231_149" class="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1360777862231_131 yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1361532270763_63 yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_20_1362042638137_70 yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_18_1362042638137_193
yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1362235747802_74" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1360777862231_197" dir="ltr"><font id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_19_1360777862231_196" face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"></font><div id="yiv1201279859"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_18_1362042638137_215"></div><div id="yiv1201279859"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="padding: 0px;"><tbody style="width: 218.6666717529297px;"><tr><td valign="top" style="border-spacing: 2px; font: inherit;"><div id="yiv1201279859"><div class="yiv1201279859yui_3_7_2_17_1362235747802_140" style="font-size: 12pt;"><div><br></div><div></div><div><br><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"><b><span>De :</span></b> <br><b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:borka@e5.ijs.si">borka@e5.ijs.si</a> <br><b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a> <br><b>Envoyé le
:</b> <br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Day-to-day funding<br></font></div><br><div id="yiv874372291">Borka, <br>it seems that instead of asking what the chapters can do for ISOC, we should ask what ISOC can do for the chapters.<br><br>After all - and that's a fact not known to all people on this list, it were <b>the chapters who provided the overwhelming support for ISOC</b>, when it was bidding to get the management of .org. <br>It were the chapters, who collected letters from governments, academia, and non-profits, to be brought against other bidders. Let me remind you, that some of the other bidders were also far better prepared to run a registry, than ISOC. Back then, ISOC was not the same organization as it is today, and therefore we, the chapters, have done our duty to ISOC. <br><br>best,<br>veni<br> <br><br><div class="yiv874372291moz-cite-prefix">On 03/12/2013 07:18, <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv874372291moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:borka@e5.ijs.si" target="_blank" href="mailto:borka@e5.ijs.si">borka@e5.ijs.si</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite">+1 <br><br>Well said. Our law does not allow for non-for-profit <br>association as it is ISOC-SI corporate members. So, we do not have any <br>donations or similar income. The work is done <br>by volunteers, but for how long (we are paying the <br>accounting clerk as we must provide each year <br>to the tax office a financial report)? <br><br>The demands to the chapters from <br>ISOC staff are rising every day and it seems that chapters are working for an association with quite a big and paid staff without knowing why we must do that and why we must <br>change the current modest voluntary support we have from our members. <br>The European chapters had a
meeting in Frankfurt on December 17th, <br>three or four ISOC staff people attended the meeting but so far no Minutes appeared from the meeting. However, in the same time ISOC is requesting the chapters to send Minutes from their meetings and to run extensive membership administration, what is the basis for that request? <br><br><br>With regards, <br><br>Borka <br>ISOC Slovenia. <br><br><br>On Mon, 11 Mar 2013, Edwin A. Opare wrote: <br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>Elver, <br><br>Well said. <br><br>Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions on chapter sustainability especially when <br>membership dues are not coming through and a chapter does not have any <br>corporate members and their relating support on board? <br><br>Edwin Opare <a href="http://oc.org/">oc.org</a></blockquote></blockquote><br><pre class="yiv874372291moz-signature">--
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