<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Can you cite any specific examples of ISOC global leadership destroying chapters or doing anything drastic?</div><div><br></div><div>And what are these "fake chapters" you speak of?</div><div><br><div><a href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com">elver.loho@gmail.com</a></div><div>+372 5661 6933</div><div>skype: elver.loho</div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 12.02.2013, at 23:02, "Marie-Anne Delahaut" <<a href="mailto:delahaut.marie-anne@wallonie-isoc.org">delahaut.marie-anne@wallonie-isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><link rel="File-List" href="cid:filelist.xml@01CE096C.AB33F4F0"><link rel="Edit-Time-Data" href="cid:editdata.mso"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Dear Monique and All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Many of us think the same. It may be interesting to analyse the way ISOC, in its renewal, takes the list of its own chapters out of its website.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">In my experience and opinion, the chapters are simply a one-way "faire-valoir" for ISOC. There is no return. <br>At least we have never witnessed any, especially when chapters gather for an international project: all are patiently destroyed by ISOC's ever growing staff in order to maintain global leadership.<br>Chapters' control is drastic, with mainly US goals, even to create fake chapters or citizens' representatives at high level institutions such as the European Commission.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">This is a simple personal statement: no need of any battle, dispute or debate about this. It is too late.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">As we say in French, it is just another story of "le pot de terre contre le pot de fer"…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Marie-Anne<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:FR;mso-fareast-language:FR-BE;font-weight:bold">De :</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:FR;mso-fareast-language:FR-BE"> <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a> [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De la part de</span></b> epstein monique<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé :</span></b> mardi 12 février 2013 14:32<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> Victor Ndonnang<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc :</span></b> <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Map of Chapters<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">I agree with CW and have been desperately looking for a list of chapters ( eventually classified with key-words/domains,..etc)<br><br>putting the links on the map is of no use <br>of course this is "only" my personal opinion...!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><font size="3" color="#0066ff" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#0066FF;font-weight:bold">Monique Epstein<br></span></font></b><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><br></span></font><b><font size="3" color="#cc33cc" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#CC33CC;font-weight:bold">Associations E-Seniors / E-Juniors / M3Cube<br>+33 . 6 24 39 64 34</span></font></b><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><br><a href="http://www.e-seniors.asso.fr">www.e-seniors.asso.fr</a> <br><a href="http://www.eseniors.eu">www.eseniors.eu </a><br><a href="http://www.e-seniors.asso.fr/Institut/">www.e-seniors.asso.fr/Institut</a><br><a href="http://tandemsgo.eseniors.eu">http://tandemsgo.eseniors.eu</a><br><a href="http://www.eseniors.eu/llm">www.eseniors.eu/llm</a><br></span></font><font size="3" color="#3366ff" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#3366FF">E-Seniors est membre administrateur de l'ISOC France</span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> (<a href="http://isoc.fr/">http://www.isoc.fr/</a>)<br><a href="http://www.e-juniors.fr">www.e-juniors.fr</a><br><a href="http://www.m3cube.asso.st/" target="_blank">www.m3cube.asso.st</a><br><a href="http://www.elephantmusik.fr">www.elephantmusik.fr</a><br><a href="http://e-seniors.over-blog.com/">http://e-seniors.over-blog.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span class="style22"><b><font size="3" color="#d533cc" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">"Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish." Steve Jobs </span></font></b></span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE"><br><br>Victor Ndonnang wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">+1 <br>I support this proposition. There is a need of more collaboration between ISOC Chapters. <br>Best regards, <br>Victor Ndonnang. <br><br>On 11/02/2013 21:44, CW Mail wrote: <br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">Good evening: <br><br>May I say that I am not interested in the Map. I have quite good geography and already know where everybody is. <br><br>What I would really, really like to see is restoration of the List of Chapters with links to their officers and websites. <br>That is essential to facilitate cooperation between Chapters. <br><br>Regards <br><br>CW <br><br><br>On 11 Feb 2013, at 09:19, Sabrina Wilmot <a href="mailto:wilmot@isoc.org"><wilmot@isoc.org></a> wrote: <br><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">Dear all, <br><br>Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There seems to be a technical problem and we are looking into it. <br><br>Regards, <br>Sabrina Wilmot <br>Internet Society <br><br><br>On 11 Feb 2013, at 05:27, Sulaiman Alansari wrote: <br><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">UAE Chapter are not in the map <br>-----Message d'origine----- <br>De : Jacek Gajewski [<a href="mailto:gajewski@isoc.org">mailto:gajewski@isoc.org</a>] Envoyé : dimanche 10 février <br>2013 19:34 À : Marie-Anne Delahaut Cc : ISOC Chapter Delegates; ISOC Chapter <br>Support Objet : Map of Chapters <br><br>Dear Marie-Anne, <br><br>On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Marie-Anne Delahaut wrote: <br><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">By the way, I don't find the list of chapters on ISOC website: I can't <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">click on the map and the chapters' names are not written on the map in my <br>browser. Where is that list? <br>Please have a look at: <br><br><a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/find-chapter">http://www.internetsociety.org/find-chapter</a> <br><br>WBR <br>Jacek Gajewski <br>Chapter Development Manager (Europe) <br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________ <br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed to <br>this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter <br>Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">_______________________________________________ <br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed <br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society <br>Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">_______________________________________________ <br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed <br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society <br>Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:FR-BE"><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre style="text-align:center"><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><hr size="4" width="90%" align="center"></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed</span><br><span>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society</span><br><span>Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a></span></div></blockquote></body></html>