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Dear all,<br>
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AS one of the first member of ISOC and being present at the ISOC
setting as a Society in Kobe 1992 I may say that Vint Cerf and<br>
the others have set ISOC in order to continue its development as was
run by the US government. The Academic internet that stopped to
exist in 1991<br>
was funded by NFS and other governmental bodies. The Internet
backbone was maintained and funded via MERIT - again a governmental
funded organization. The same somehow applies <br>
for NIC (Network Information Centre) that was responsible for domain
registration.<br>
<br>
It was U.S government that decide to top the direct funding of the
U.S Internet and to make it commercial. The academia went to a model
similar to<br>
one for paying other telecommunication costs. Local communities
organized themselves by paying one <br>
access to the network and sharing the line among the community
users. ISOC took over the agencies IANA and IETF that continue to<br>
serve the Internet community. However, the funding model was not yet
set at that time. ICANN was set up<br>
few years later. <br>
<br>
1992 is the real start of commercial Internet as we know now.<br>
<br>
With regards,<br>
<br>
Borka<br>
<br>
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Dne 22.12.2012 18:55, piše Joly MacFie:
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<div style="">Ah. I had misunderstood. I didn't join until 97 or
so, so a latecomer to the party. But I thought this was it,
that the IETF was getting to the point it needed finance, and
thus some organizational basis.</div>
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<div style="">When, and why, did that arrangement come about?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 9:07 AM, David
Farber <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just for
the record (I was on a very early ISOC "Board") this
statement is just wrong "original raison d'etre, is to be an
organizational parent to the IETF and the IAB.". Vint Cerf
saw , for example, ISOC as being the AAA of the internet.
The whole issue of the IETF and IAB (which I was also on)
cane much latter.<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
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On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Joly MacFie <<a
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wrote:<br>
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There are limitations to what any one organization can
do.<br>
<br>
ISOC's most important role, and original raison d'etre,
is to be an organizational parent to the IETF and the
IAB. From that grew roles in development and policy.The
pillars were defined in the late 90s. In recent years
the maintenance of Open InternetWorking the
multistakeholder Internet model has become paramount.<br>
<br>
While at the Chapter level individuals gather together
to get active on whatever is their passion. It is
important that at the global and regional level that the
Internet Society make a priority of high-level
engagement of stakeholders to promote its principles.<br>
<br>
Universal access has always been one of those
principles.<br>
<br>
j<br>
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On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM, David Solomonoff <<a
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href="mailto:president@isoc-ny.org">president@isoc-ny.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
This is a great discussion and I'd just like to add a
couple of small points:<br>
<br>
Based on my experience lobbying for a large labor union
here in the US (United University Professions) I would
say that to effectively advocate both at the regional
and national level, ISOC NA must:<br>
• Develop a larger pool of active members<br>
• Probably have additional paid staff whose
single task is community organizing. How this is funded
and whether these people would be employees of the
global organization or local Chapters is open to
discussion.<br>
• Have a consistent policy position and
up-to-the-second talking points about all related issues<br>
• Share contact info regarding legislators and
news media<br>
• Share info regarding relationships,
conversations, etc. so that people don't tread on each
others toes<br>
• Have a strategy involving getting the active
members contacting legislators and media IMMEDIATELY
whenever an issue comes up with a consistent position
using consistent language and talking points<br>
This is how all effective advocacy groups work - I don't
think there are any shortcuts.<br>
<br>
On the technical side we can work with other groups
(like NYCWireless in NYC) to promote community networks
and open source DIY solutions. As I've said before I
don't think we should bet the farm on any particular
"perfect" one-size-fits-all technology - rather act as
an educational resource for all solutions.<br>
<br>
A lot of other open source groups here in NYC organize
hackfests where they help people install Linux on their
PC's. ISOC Chapters could certainly do the same for wifi
mesh routers and the like.<br>
<br>
Also, perhaps ISOC could also look into IXP's in rural,
underserved areas in the US like upstate New York?<br>
<br>
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On 12/21/2012 06:05 AM, JOHN MORE wrote:<br>
> Norbert<br>
><br>
> I think you make a very good point. I would note
there are many local efforts in the US to increase
access (reduce costs) from neighborhood networks. Gene
Gaines, a member of the Greater Washington DC Chapter,
has created a program of providing used laptops to all
students from poorer families in his county on Virginia
coupled with significantly lower internet rate from
Comcast. The North American Bureau could take a lead in
focusing on the issue of universal (=affordable) access.<br>
><br>
> John More<br>
> Washington DC<br>
><br>
> On Dec 21, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Norbert Klein <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net">nhklein@gmx.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On 12/21/2012 4:32 AM, Paul Brigner wrote:<br>
>>> I don't think many would suggest ISOC-NA is
not serving as "a focal point for cooperative efforts to
promote the Internet as a positive tool to benefit all
people throughout the world." Of course, there is
always more to do and more issues to cover.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best regards,<br>
>>> Paul Brigner<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regional Bureau Director, North America<br>
>>> Internet Society<br>
>>><br>
>>> "The Internet is for Everyone"<br>
>><br>
>> Interesting discussion. “...there is always
more to do and more issues to cover” - sure, but that
does not pick up the core of the question: What is the
plan of the North American ISOC Regional Bureau to
achieve this in the USA?<br>
>><br>
>> This reminds me of a period of long and
intensive discussion twenty or so years ago in Germany
related to “international development,” where some
wanted to limit this discourse to “international
development aid abroad” as "a really important issue" -
while others insisted that a discussion of the complex
problem of international economic imbalance has to
include a discussion of the internal powers at play at
home.<br>
>><br>
>> Is it possible to understand - and act - on
international dynamics without tackling similar
scenarios and challenges and conflicts also at home?<br>
>><br>
>> Norbert Klein<br>
>> Cambodia<br>
>><br>
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