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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm">Dear All,</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm">in response to John More’s opinion
that my voice would be helpful in the <i>Chapter participation
in the
final compilation of the Revised By-Laws</i>, I would like to
thank
for this appreciation and to say that I am prepared to
cooperate, in
whatever way this will be organized further.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm">A the same time I would like to
state
my agreement with the observations and partial reservations
expressed
by <span style="font-weight: normal">Klaus Birkenbihl, John
More, and
Hans Peter Dittler. </span><span style="font-weight: normal">Throughout
the
time when the revision of ISOC Bylaws was discussed – </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">i</span><span style="font-weight:
normal">n
webinars and </span><span style="font-weight: normal">on </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">the
Chapter Delegates’ </span><span style="font-weight: normal">and
other
</span><span style="font-weight: normal">mailing list </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">-</span><span style="font-weight:
normal">
I expressed the concern that this extraordinary </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">opportunity
of revising the ISOC Bylaws should be used not only to change
some wordings, but also to deal with some
fundamental questions which had been raised about the nature
of
“ISOC.”</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><span style="font-weight: normal">Is
“ISOC” an entity in itself as over against its members
organized
in chapters, which are subject to some regulations by “ISOC” -
or
is ISOC an entity made up of various kinds of Members, most of
them
organized in Chapters, and all together develop and agree on
rules and procedures
how to organize their common existence and activities.</span></p>
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Norbert Klein<br>
Member of the Executive Committee<br>
ISOC Cambodia Chapter<br>
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On 10/25/2012 9:37 PM, JOHN MORE wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">I appreciate the support and, because of my belief in the Society's mission and the role of Chapters (and individual members) in supporting that mission, I would be pleased to work with any and all of the names put forward.
I agree with Klaus that we are working on a final draft and not revisiting the past policy discussions on governance. That being said, I believe there is still room to better reflect the important role of Chapters in democritizing the Society's governance and the need for Chapters to have some sort of a forum. It is also important within the context of the non-profit law governing the Society as a District of Columbia corporation to keep the flexibility to address the legal requirements of the Chapters' home jurisdictions. Norbert's voice would be helpful in this context.
The Society and the Internet face significant challenges with the WCIT and other issues. I find that the staff and leadership of the Society and of its Chapters are working hard to implement a new cooperative strategy. One only has to monitor all of the e-lists and attend the North American Region's Google Hangouts to see this in action. Completing action on the Bylaws can only help.
Since the Chapter "delegates" will not be voting members of the Bylaws Committee, I think a working group of 4 to 6 would best address the different interests.
John More
On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Klaus Birkenbihl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de"><Klaus.Birkenbihl@Isoc.de></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Alejandro Pisanty wrote on 2012-10-22 17:46:
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<pre wrap="">Ted,
Thanks a lot.
I nominate John More, Hans-Peter Dittler and Klaus Birkenbihl and move that we institute a self-organized, fast process to distill chapters' preferences into a short list of candidates.
Yours,
Alejandro Pisanty
Enviado desde/Sent from BlackBerry®
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Thanks for the honor Alejandro. Though in general I'd be ready to accept I
have a few reservations:
- Since the By-Laws are discussed now for a while I assume that this
group shall do some final editing rather than make something new.
- As from the discussion at INET2012 and later discussions on mailing
lists I still cannot see that the way ISOC shall be controlled and
governed reflects the spirit of its mission.
- I still believe that being "cause based" does not require a small group
of people in control and a huge membership with no say. (This might
be appropriate for the Cath. church or some dictatorships. But not for
orgs that want promote democratic virtues.)
- Having me (and maybe the other ones that you proposed) on the committee
bears the risk of reiterating discussions that were rather unproductive
till now.
- As I wrote in my last mail on this: I don't expect these By-Laws will
significantly change the way ISOC is governed. So my preference would
rather be to promote change by other means.
So let me summarize: yes I'd be ready to accept.
Klaus
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Internet Society German Chapter e.V. (ISOC.DE)
c/o ict-Media GmbH
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