<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Some dotted lines between CleaNIT and WCIT. </div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Circuit based thinking.. Internet providers described as control vectors not the user edge</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Content is an internet provider responsibility.</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Conjecture problem statement stumping evidence methodology</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Closed debate amongst self selecting groups of people not truly multi stakeholder.</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">This presentation for Clean IT at RIPE paradoxically makes the case of how wrong headed this really is</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><a href="http://www.cleanitproject.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/speech-Clean-IT-projectteam-at-RIPE-NCC-65-on-2709121.pdf">http://www.cleanitproject.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/speech-Clean-IT-projectteam-at-RIPE-NCC-65-on-2709121.pdf</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Sigh..... <br></span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Christian de Larrinaga</span><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br>On 26 Oct 2012, at 06:20, JotHal <<a href="mailto:jozef.halbersztadt@gmail.com">jozef.halbersztadt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><div><span>I think too, that WCIT should be a priority. We can wait with CleanIT</span><br><span>issue till middle of December</span><br><span></span><br><span>Best</span><br><span>JH</span><br><span></span><br><span>2012/10/26 Veni Markovski <<a href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>>:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sorry, folks - no participation from me personally; if someone else from</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ISOC.bg on the list is interested, they would come forward.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>For me, this is all taking time from the main goal of ISOC.bg this year: a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>successful WCIT.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>best,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>veni</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 10/25/2012 18:11, JotHal wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Good evening,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am for clear position of European chapters o CleanIT project. It</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>should go away, though the real danger are similar regretful</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>initiatives of national dimension.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/ben-hayes/clean-it-secret-eu-surveillance-plan-that-wasn%E2%80%99t">http://www.opendemocracy.net/ben-hayes/clean-it-secret-eu-surveillance-plan-that-wasn%E2%80%99t</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Here is position on CleanIT by EuroISPA</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.euroispa.org/news/76-reaction-on-cleanit-project">http://www.euroispa.org/news/76-reaction-on-cleanit-project</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>JH</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br><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