Dave raised this on the US ITAC WCIT list and Jackie Ruff of Verizon has responded as below:<div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000066">Dear Dave and all,</font></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000066"> </font></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000066">Something has been confused in the short note on the meeting. <span class="il" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,204)">Verizon</span> has emphatically opposed the ETNO WCIT proposal and continues to do so, including in interactions with government officials in Germany.</font></span></p>
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</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000066">Best regards,</font></span></p>
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</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="il" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,204)"><font color="#000066">Jackie</font></span></span></p>
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</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000066">Jacquelynn (<span class="il" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,204)">Jackie</span>) Ruff</font></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000066">Vice President, International Public Policy & Regulatory Affairs</font></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="il" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,204)"><font color="#000066">Verizon</font></span></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000066">(o) <a href="tel:%2B1-202-515-2530" value="+12025152530" target="_blank">+1-202-515-2530</a></font></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000066">(m) <a href="tel:%2B1-202-236-7193" value="+12022367193" target="_blank">+1-202-236-7193</a></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></p></div></blockquote><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.545454025268555px">Also if you look at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GuXqlfgmX40#t=3927s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GuXqlfgmX40#t=3927s</a> you'll see Len Cali of AT&T saying they are against regulation, period.</span></font><div>
<font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.545454025268555px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.545454025268555px">j</span></font></div><div><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.545454025268555px"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.545454025268555px"><br></span></font><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Klaus Birkenbihl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de" target="_blank">Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dave,<br>
<br>
Verizon didn't speak-up much. What I heard them say was >>we support<br>
much of the ETNO proposal (esp. the QoS part) but we don't think<br>
it should become part of the ITRs<<. Same for Vodaphone.<br>
<br>
Klaus<br>
<br>
Dave Burstein wrote on 2012-10-01 23:18:<br>
<div class="im">> Klaus<br>
><br>
> This is very important reporting for the U.S., because our NTIA head,<br>
> Larry Strickling, said at the Columbia event just about everyone here<br>
> was backing the U.S. position. Verizon splitting from that is<br>
> significant because of their massive lobbying power.<br>
><br>
> All details on what Verizon and Vodafone said would be very helpful.<br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
> db<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Klaus Birkenbihl<br>
</div><div class="im">> <<a href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de">Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de">Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Colleagues,<br>
><br>
> this is a summary of a meeting that took place at the German Federal<br>
> Ministry of Economics and Technology (BMWi) last Thursday 9/27<br>
> 10:00-17:00.<br>
</div>> I participated in the meeting on behalf of <a href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">ISOC.DE</a> <<a href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">http://ISOC.DE</a>>.<br>
<div><div class="h5">> Attendance:<br>
><br>
> ~30 Participants representing the usual suspects as well as reps<br>
> of the environment like consumers, industry, computer manufacturers<br>
> (Intel, NEC ...), assistants to MoPs ...<br>
><br>
> Presentations:<br>
><br>
> Voss, Head of department for Technology policy (BMWi)<br>
> Welcome<br>
><br>
> Scholl, (ITU Secretariat)<br>
> presents ITU. How we work, why often misjudged, consensus based,<br>
> members ...<br>
><br>
> Schöppner, Deputy Head of department for Technology policy (BMWi)<br>
> on positions of BMWI on WCIT proposals. 10 selected topics. Positions<br>
> either in line with or not covered by ISOC C74. These positions<br>
> are according to BMWi in line with CEPT. Main rationals:<br>
> Don't change a running system<br>
> Don't extend ITR's scope or bindingness<br>
> Schöpner's presentation received quite some support during the<br>
> discussion.<br>
><br>
> Doll, (Deutsche Telekom)<br>
> presents ETNO C 109. Controversial discussions. I, referring to<br>
> European<br>
> Chapters Position argued against the QoS part (a threat for net<br>
> neutrality) and the SPNP. (BMWi showed a lot of sympathy with the<br>
> ETNO paper which obviously was achieved in their previous talks<br>
> with Deutsche Telekom) Voss (BMWi) blocked further discussion<br>
> of Net Neutrality referring to a separate event on this topic.<br>
> Other carriers (Verizon, Vodaphone ...) support ETNO positions.<br>
> But they discussed whether they should become part of the ITRs.<br>
><br>
> Schwarz (Federal Network Agency)<br>
> (The Federal Network Agency for Electricity, Gas, Telecommunications,<br>
> Post and Railway is a separate higher federal authority within the<br>
> scope of business of the German Federal Ministry of Economics and<br>
> Technology) brought forward a strong position of his agency against<br>
> ETNO C 109, covering most of concerns that are shared by ISOC.<br>
> Schwarz emphasized that this position was covered by the head of<br>
> the agency. This lead to a certain huff on side of the ministry.<br>
><br>
> That's it in short. One of the participants asked the ministry to<br>
> provide a WIKI to continue discussion and collect references.<br>
> Not much support for the idea from the ministry. So <a href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">ISOC.DE</a><br>
</div></div>> <<a href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">http://ISOC.DE</a>><br>
<div class="im HOEnZb">> is considering to pick-up this idea and provide the technical<br>
> infrastructure for the discussion.<br>
><br>
> We also received a friendly coverage from a leading ICT publisher<br>
> (Heise):<br>
> <a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Europa-sucht-gemeinsame-Position-zur-internationalen-Telecom-Regulierung-1720367.html" target="_blank">http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Europa-sucht-gemeinsame-Position-zur-internationalen-Telecom-Regulierung-1720367.html</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Schöne Grüße, Klaus<br>
><br>
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