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<font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Re:Performance
Standards, ISOC LoADear Ted,</font></font>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">thanks for your response of 20 September 2012, as
well as for the LoA draft URL (which I knew). I appreciate it
also to see that you immediately enter into procedural
references, which makes it clear that a number of fundamental
questions which had been raised for some of our Chapter
colleagues are not well reflected in your response. </font></font>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">The fact that one correspondent even said “I believed
the whole conversation about the LoA is already dead” shows
that the discussion so far was not marked by much mutual
understanding. </font></font> </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">This may not be surprising, as it had been reported
more than once that the </font>Internet Society European
Coordinating Council <font size="3">had made a substantive
input into the LoA process, but later stated: “</font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">more than a year's
silence from the staff is not acceptable.”</span></font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">Another Chapter colleagues does not find a related
question considered, which had also been raised before: Why 25
ISOC members, who accept the ISOC spirit, need to sign an
additional confirmation.</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">But some questions asked before, and not responded
to, are of such a fundamental nature that I cannot understand
well how to enter into considering a Bylaws draft without some
broader understanding about the direction towards which we are
going, in terms of the basic question what ISOC is. Recently I
read an old speech of an ISOC Board Member saying simply that
ISOC is a membership organization. And a Chapter colleague
asked here: How can we preach democratic spirit to the outside
and do not have an internal structure where we practice this.</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">Another recent voice on our list still has he
impression: “An association is usually association of members
and they have the major role in the organization life. All
other bodies are set up for the members to channel their
views, projects and work. This must be reflected in the
Bylaws. So far it seems that all other parts of the
organization are more important than the membership.”</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">But I leave this here – I think we do not yet have
the kind of basic consensus which is necessary in a fellowship
to agree on workable and accepted structures and procedures. I
will try to explain my reluctance by going along you mail;
quotes from your mail are in <b>bold face.</b></font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="CENTER"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">= = =</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Norbert,</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>I apologize for
my delayed resonse to your many emails.</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>I recall that
there were two provisions that we said Chapters have every
right to expect and which will appear in the next version of
the Letter of Affiliation...</b></font></font></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">I think most of us will recall this – but many will
also recall that it was not so clear where this leads – see
the remarks above.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>In addition, you
will also read that "...ISOC will provide a (30) day written
notice of termination, during which time the Chapter may
appeal the decision to terminate" (p.3).” … Our
communication has been clear and continued to take Chapter
feedback into consideration.</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Good – I did not
yet see in the writings so far that this process of seeing
that things went wrong is a mutual one. I will come back to
this further down. </font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>I want to assure
you and all chapter leaders that these provisions you have
requested will be in the next revision of the Letter of
Affiliation, which will only be undertaken once the revision
of the By-laws is complete. You will recall, I'm sure, that
the Letter of Affiliation was developed over 18 months with
direct and concerted effort on the part of five chapter
leaders and three staff.</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Of course I recall
this – but I recall also the voices which fundamentally
questioned the result. I consider also that the way in which
the LoA in its present form envisions relationships is also an
indicator about the direction of the Bylaws development –
though, as you say, the LoA will be finally considered only
after the Bylaws are finalized. - I will refer further down to
some points in the LoA draft.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Regarding the
by-laws, my understanding of an organization's by-laws is
that they comprise a governance, not an operational
structure. As such, the by-laws should form a framework in
which the operational details may be designed, reviewed,
agreed, implemented and, when appropriate, changed to adopt
efficiently to changing circumstances or new information...</b></font></font></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">Is there disagreement on that? The only – important –
point in our discussions on the nature of the Bylaws is that a
number of us did not understand why – even in such a
“framework” - there would not be, at the beginning of the
Bylaw's text, also a statement about the basic values
governing the operations under this framework.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">The introduction to the present
draft LoA says it is </span><font color="#000000"><span
lang="zxx">“</span></font><font color="#000000"><span
lang="zxx">to </span></font><font color="#000000"><span
lang="zxx">promote the open development, evolution, and
use of the Internet for </span></font><font
color="#000000"><span lang="zxx">the benefit of people
throughout the world.” </span></font><font
color="#000000"><span lang="zxx">I was surprised about the
opinion that we do not need this – but I cannot imagine
why anybody would oppose it. Especially also as a number
of Chapter colleagues spoke in favor of it.</span></font></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>With respect to
other areas of performance that you suggest, you are in a
vast and dynamic area of the world where we are interviewing
many candidates for the Chapter Support position to add to
the local resources.</b> </font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Thanks for this
recognition of the Asian region. So I would like to ask: In
which way does the ISOC staff make use of the knowledge of
persons and needs in this dynamic region available in the
Chapters – in a systematic and participatory way, while
looking for candidates and selecting them? Of course also
considering the knowledge of the other regions of the world. </font></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>As you know, the
Chapter Support position requires not just knowledge and
energy, but a steady, even disposition and the ability to
balance many different and often opposing interests
dispassionately, while maintaining the respect of all
parties... </b></font></font> </p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">Partly agreeing, and also passionately disagreeing.
When a system operator in our region was arrested, and the
case was followed in many sectors of the civil society in
Asia, I had raised the question how ISOC is going to react –
saying that we might have to face some similar situations.
There was silence – dispassionately respecting both parties? I
will come back to such situations further down. </font></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Every chapter
has special needs, Norbert. I agree with you that no one
size fits all. It isn't possible to customize our tools and
programs to each chapter individually, but we do make a
considerable effort to understand and accommodate local
circumstances.</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Anybody disagreeing
that every Chapter has special needs? Probably not. Everybody
agreeing that it is NOT possible for ISOC to customize its
activities so that they meet the needs of Chapters? If this is
the case, why should ISOC then continue to use the motto “The
Internet is for everyone” - maybe the Internet, yes, but not
ISOC?</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Nevertheless I
do hope that in 2013 you will see more tools that can be
more easily adapted and configured for local needs. This is
especially true for membership. Is there a social media
application that Cambodians access regularly? </b></font></font>
</p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">The latest survey says that there are about 650,600
Facebook users in the Cambodia, 61% male and 39% female. In
spite of the fact that the number of Internet users more than
doubled in the country last year, these numbers relate still
to an Internet penetration of only 3.1% of the population. In
Southeast Asia, only East Timor and Myanmar have a lower rate
than Cambodia. I will also refer to these two countries
further down. </font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Is it possible
to reach these people not as members but as followers and
rather than focus on increasing membership, focus on
engaging followers in issues and projects? </b></font></font>
</p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">Of course this happens in different ways, with our
members being involved in a variety of ways. As an example,
over the last weekend, 22/23 September 2012, the 5th BarCamp
was held in Phnom Penh, with about 1,400 participants. </font></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>If not social
media, other like-minded organizations with which to
partner? </b></font></font> </p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">What does “like-minded” mean, and what does it mean
“to partner”? Many of our members are involved in different
ways – I do not know what kind of assumptions are behind your
questions. For example, the main organizer of this years
BarCamp is a long time member of our Chapter, and he was
elected as our Chapter Secretary on 15 September 2015.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">It was not a “partnering” </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">between</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> the Department for Media and
Communications of the Royal University of Phnom Penh </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">and</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> ISOC </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">that they invited me to teach
regularly at their last “</span><span style="font-weight:
normal">Five-Month</span><span style="font-weight: normal">s</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">Intensive</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">Course</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">in</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">Public</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">Relations</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">and</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">Communication” </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">- </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">on Public Relations and Public
Opinion, and then on Aspects of the Media and Ethics,
Nationally and Internationally – always with reference to
the Internet. But it was clear that they approached me
because of my role in the Cambodia Chapter </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">of ISOC</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">, and I could, of course, make
use of the programmatic positions ISOC has taken. </span></font></font>
</p>
<p align="RIGHT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">(By the way, when ISOC was
looking for a six-month interim successor for Anne Lord
“immediately,” I had offered my services, and told the
university that I would not be available for the next term –
</span><span style="font-weight: normal">though I </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">kn</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">e</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">w well that the ISOC decision
was open, but I wanted to keep myself available. When, after
some weeks, there was no </span><span style="font-weight:
normal">information</span><span style="font-weight: normal">
at all about </span><span style="font-weight: normal">what</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> decision</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">s</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">the</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> ISOC staff had taken in
response to their </span><span style="font-weight: normal">own
</span><span style="font-weight: normal">call for somebody </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">to</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> be available “immediately” – it
was a bit of a su</span><span style="font-weight: normal">r</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">prise to learn: No, we decided
otherwise from what we had announced, and </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">we </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">are no</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">w</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">focusing</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> on something else.) </span></font></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">Was it “partnering” that we
helped Meta House, a local cultural center, </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">to organize a
public event on 26 July 2012 on “</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">The Intelligent Use
of Social Media” - with two special rounds on “</span></font><font
size="3"><i><span style="font-weight: normal">Social Media and
Human Rights”</span></i></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal"> and “</span></font><font
size="3"><i><span style="font-weight: normal">Social Media and
Innovation</span></i></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">” </span></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">- helping to organize the </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">whole</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal"> program and provid</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">ing</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal"> all but one of the
panelists (all, except this one person, are members of our </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">C</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">hapter).</span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">And at the BarCamp meeting last
Sunday I made a presentation about our Chapter, mainly
relating to a new inter-ministerial decree on the use of the
Internet and the telephone in public places, making it
mandatory to have the Internet users recorded on video
cameras, keeping the records for half a year, and </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">taking down the names of all
users of public telephone services – all under the threa</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">t</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> of punishment </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">in the case of</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> non-compliance. - I had been
asked to raise these things in public, because some people
think that the Internet Society is the proper organization
to deal with the social implications of the information
society, while </span><span style="font-weight: normal">others
deal with other aspects, </span><span style="font-weight:
normal">the hacker space-group deals with hardware, the
bloggers – having a common network since a Blogger Summit -
helping people to share with others (when I was interviewed
at the first Blogger Summit it went around the globe –
including to the International Herald Tribune, USA Today,
and a dozen of others). </span></font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">We do not have to duplicate what
others do – but we have to see what our special role in this
context is.</span></font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">The involvement in the BarCamps in Phnom Penh led to
some </font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">further </font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">cooperative
outreach relations. In 2009, there was a small group of
participants from Myanmar in Phnom Penh. They hoped to get the
permission to organize a BarC</font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">a</font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">mp in Yangon - “maybe we get 500
participants.” At the beginning of January 2010 I got a plea
to come and share some international perspectives. As I had
been involved in ICANN since 1999, I offered to provide
information. Travel support from ICANN: No involvement, no
support! </font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">- On the day of my departure, 1,000 people had
already registered, and </font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">by the opening on</font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"> Saturday morning the
participation came up to 2,700, 40% women. </font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">And ever since I have a
stream of Facebook Friends from Myanmar. </font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">- As I was invited to
come again in 2011, I made a presentation about ISOC – but I
had been told </font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">ISOC </font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">travel
support is </font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">available </font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">only between chapters. </font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">For the 2012</font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"> </font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">BarCamp </font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">I had already been asked
to be available </font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">also </font></font><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">after the BarCamp weekend, when a group of 24 people
gathered to get more detailed information about ISOC and how
to form a chapter. This year's Barcamp had about 4,000
participants – it was opened by </font></font><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">Aung</span></font></font></em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span style="font-style:
normal"> San </span></font></font><em><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3"><span style="font-style: normal">Suu
Kyi. </span></font></font></em><em><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3"><span style="font-style: normal">-
While several of our Chapter Members maintain relations
with people in Myanmar and related social developments,
another smaller group </span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">of Members</span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal"> has working relations since
some years with East Timor, more oriented </span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">towards the</span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal"> localization of software – all
this maintained with difficulties, for economic reasons. </span></font></font></em>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><em><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3"><span style="font-style: normal">It was a happy
surprise to read that ISOC was </span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">n</span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">ow quite differently engaged in
organizati</span></font></font></em><em><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3"><span style="font-style: normal">o</span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">nal outreach, when </span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">ISOC staff members flew over
the Atlantic and participated in the </span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal"><span style="font-weight:
normal">Campus Party Europe</span></span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal"><b> </b></span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">meeting</span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">s</span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal"> in Berlin </span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">in </span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">August </span></font></font></em><em><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-style: normal">2012. The BarCamp movement in
Asia would certainly also merit a similar institutional
attention – including travel support to foster existing
links.</span></font></font></em></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="LEFT"><br>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Your message
indicates frustration with ISOC's 'global' approach, </b></font></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">Did I ever say so? I had
expressed my high appreciation for the appointment of Markus
Kummer as </span><span style="font-weight: normal">Vice
President For Public Policy, about which we were regularly
informed: </span><span style="font-weight: normal">UN Human
Rights Commission, Regional IGFs..</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">. And I appreciate the </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">regular
reports and helpful leads by </span><span
style="font-variant: normal"><font color="#000000"><span
style="font-style: normal"><span style="font-weight:
normal">Sally Wentworth</span></span></font></span> <span
style="font-weight: normal">on the way towards the ITU
events. </span><span style="font-weight: normal">We get
regular information. </span><span style="font-weight:
normal">- I mention only these two fields, among others.</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> </span></font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">But I indicated, when the Chief
Operating Officer of ISOC stated that the Regio</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">n</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">al Bureaus are at the heart of
ISOC, at the time when a Senior Director of Global Services
had been appointed, that </span><span style="font-weight:
normal">we</span><span style="font-weight: normal"> do not
know what their functions and contributions to the Internet
Society are – how they related to those members one level
lover than the Regio</span><span style="font-weight: normal">n</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">al Offices.</span></font></font></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">And I had added the information that we had received
not ONE mail from the Asia Pacific Regional Office to the
challenges we face in a tightening environment for the freedom
of communication during two years. So our members and our
Board ask some questions – is this not understandable after
two years?</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">When we finally </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">were to receive a
staff visit from the Asia Pacific Office, with a “Meet and
greet” meeting </span></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">planned</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">, </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">we </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">were
told, at the end of a len</span></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">g</span></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">thy correspondence, that only a
</span></font><font size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">ISOC
activities </span></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">presentation would be made -
“and no other.” </span></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">- </span></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">I had to send, </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">on </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="text-decoration: none"><span
style="font-weight: normal">2</span></span></font><font
size="3"><span style="text-decoration: none"><span
style="font-weight: normal">3 Aug</span></span></font><font
size="3"><span style="text-decoration: none"><span
style="font-weight: normal">ust </span></span></font><font
size="3"><span style="text-decoration: none"><span
style="font-weight: normal">2</span></span></font><font
size="3"><span style="text-decoration: none"><span
style="font-weight: normal">0</span></span></font><font
size="3"><span style="text-decoration: none"><span
style="font-weight: normal">1</span></span></font><font
size="3"><span style="text-decoration: none"><span
style="font-weight: normal">2,</span></span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal"> the following
message in the name of our Advisory B</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">o</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">ard, </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">five
well known persons</span></font><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal"> in </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">our </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">society</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal"> –</span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal"> </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">Mr. </span></font>Pen
Samitthy, Editor-in-chief of the biggest local daily and
President of the Club of Cambodian Journalists; Mr. Sao Sopheap,
at the Council of Ministers, Ms. Sarun MunSeila, Student
Representative, Ms. Sok Channda, CEO of a major broadband ISP,
and Mr. Sok Tha, Head of the Office of ICT in Education,
Ministry of Education, Youth and Sports. </font> </p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 0cm; margin-right: 2cm;
margin-bottom: 0cm; border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: 1.00pt solid #cccccc; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.21cm;
padding-right: 0cm"> <font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3"><b>After having received your mail, rejecting our
request to serious discuss the crisis for our Chapter,
created as a result of the general situation and legal
requirements in Cambodia in the meeting, and the refusal of
ISOC staff to positively pay attention to our situation, we
do not think it would be appropriate to cooperate, as a
Chapter, with organizing a meeting for your 1 - 2.5 hours
event, for which you would like to invite the Members of the
Cambodia Chapter and other non-Chapter members. To discuss
fundamental problems within ISOC, affecting the whole
membership, only among officers, as you suggest (which has
been tried in vain by email so far) would not be in line
with our history to promote and practice open communication
– high values regularly lifted up among the goals of the
Internet Society world wide and in its slogan: the Internet
is for everyone.The situation and this response has been
shared and discussed with the Members of the Advisory Board
of our Chapter and is unanimously supported.</b></font></font></blockquote>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 0cm; margin-right: 2cm;
margin-bottom: 0cm; border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: 1.00pt solid #cccccc; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.21cm;
padding-right: 0cm; font-weight: normal"> <font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">That is not a frustration with ISOC's
'global' approach, but an indication that there are major
problems not only of communication, but also in the
understanding of roles.</font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>...but I didn't
read below what specific solutions you would recommend –
other than to send money.</b></font></font></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">Dear Ted, please pause and reflect what you tell us
this sentence. I am surprised. If you did not know what you
did, there are severe communication problems related to the
flow of information within ISOC. - You say at the end just: OK
– you just want money?</font></font></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">So I have to explain the whole situation again.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">The Bylaws of the Internet
Society - Cambodia Chapter, drafted under the guidance of </span></font><font
size="3"><span style="font-weight: normal">ISOC, </span></font>Chapter
Formation, say in Article I,2 : “<font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">The Chapter shall be established as a
non-profit organization under the laws of Cambodia.”</span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">When
we
took the necessary steps with the Ministry of Interior to
apply for recognition, we were told that we need to have a
physical office, which the authorities will come to inspect,
and then they will take a photo of the president of the
organization, standing outside of the building in front of
the sign-board </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">on the roadside, </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">indicating that this is the office of the
Internet Society - Cambodia Chapter. Then the authorities
will inspect our bylaws and make sure that we have a
reputable leadership and clear procedures to act (we have
translated our Bylaws into the Khmer language) – and then we
may get legal recognition. As long as this is not achieved,
we cannot open a bank account, and we also cannot register
our website under the Cambodian country code, </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">to show our local roots.</span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">The
advi</span></font><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">c</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">e received from ISOC? Do
fundraising! (For activities, we mostly had received
locations free of charge from business or from NGOs.)</span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">What
does
this imply in our situation? </span></font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">a)
We
cannot have a bank account, we are legally a no entity, </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">substantial fundraising is not
possible</span></font><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">. </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">So we will not have an office.</span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">b)
About
half of the ISPs block certain websites, in spite of the
fact that both the Minister of Post and the Minister of
Information publicly said that there is no legal basis </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">for such censorship, </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">operated</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US"> by some ISP staff </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">(if anybody wants documented proof
– let me know). </span></font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">A
Cambodian staffer of a UN agency copied eight pages from a
website which </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">was</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US"> publicly avai</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">la</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">ble and printed the</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">m</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US"> out for six friends. On of them was obviously
not a friend, so the person sharing this </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">political</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US"> information was arrested on a
Saturday, and convicted on the Sunday (while courts normally
do not work on weekends) for 6 month</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">s</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US"> in jail. </span></font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">If
y</span></font><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">ou want to
have some more <i>information</i> about the <i>information
context</i> where we work? Have a look here, </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">please really</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US"> </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">take the time to read it</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">: </span></font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">'Blood Wood' Killings in
Cambodia Deserve U.S. Rebuke, </span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US"><span
style="font-weight: normal">22 September 2012 by <a
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/olesia-plokhii">Olesia
Plokhii</a>, </span></span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US"><span
style="font-weight: normal">a Canadian journalist</span></span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US"><span
style="font-weight: normal">.</span></span></font></font></p>
<p><a
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/olesia-plokhii/cambodia-deforestation_b_1876136.html"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/olesia-plokhii/cambodia-deforestation_b_1876136.html</span></font></font></a></p>
<p align="RIGHT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">(On 20 February 2012 she </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">had also </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">published a ¾ page article in </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US"><i>The Cambodia Daily</i></span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">: “Cambodia's 'Father of the
Internet' Brings Nation Up To Speed” - I do not claim this
name, but as I </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">had </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">started the first </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">publicly available </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">connection to the Internet in
1994, some people giv</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">e </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">me that name. </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">I mention this here only as there seems to be
the opinion that we </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">are</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US"> not visible</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">).</span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US"><i>The
Cambodia
Daily</i></span></font><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">
carried today a front page article “UN Concerned By
Authorities' Use of Violence” saying among others that there
are “worrying trends in how the country's Penal Code was
being implemented, citing the common use of 'incitement'
charges by the courts to stifle citizen's freedoms.” </span></font></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">Is
that
the context where we should start fundraising – to be
dependent on some of the media that do not have an
impressive profile, compared to the ISOC</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">'s</span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US"> core values, and to mark others, who might
support us, as </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">being </span></font><font size="3"><span
lang="en-US">on the side of those creating “incitements” </span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US">- as we</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US"> try to secure and promote some of
the</span></font><font size="3"><span lang="en-US">se</span></font><font
size="3"><span lang="en-US"> ISOC core values? </span></font></font>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>ISOC staff are
not your adversaries, Norbert, so please do not make us out
to be. </b></font></font> </p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">This is really surprising. First, it is not about me,
but about the Cambodia Chapter of the Internet Society which
you paint as if we might make “you to be our adversaries.” </font></font>
</p>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">Dear Ted, please explain this. What does this mean
for our Chapter and its leadership? I have to share this with
them.</font></font></p>
<br>
<p style="font-weight: normal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">We just felt that the understanding and some support
we hoped for did not happen. - Before the ISOC 20th
Anniversary celebrations in April, we were happy that one of
our Members, with the support of out Board, was accepted for a
travel fellowship. But it was hardly possible to explain and
get an understanding that the invitation was dependent on us
finding and paying for travel health insurance. Our effort to
explain that we had at the beginning difficulties to find such
insurance in Cambodia, and that the amount of $36 was not
“just a small amount” in a country where the monthly salary of
a teacher is about $50. - It was, at the end, not the amount
of money, but the absence of any signs of solidarity between a
30 million dollar organization and our Fellowship recipient,
which was hard to explain and to understand. Not adversaries –
but we would have hoped to see some more warm solidarity. </font></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>We would like
nothing more than for the Cambodian Chapter, and of course
all chapters to have all the resources needed to focus on
our mission. Other Chapters with just as few resources
accomplish many things through creative actions despite
their difficult context, as you indicate yourself.</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">OK – I have described the
dilemma in our legal and political context. What do you
suggest? And not only you. What is the attitude of ISOC as a
world wide fellowship?</span><b> </b></font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">We need a </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">physical</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> office to start </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">to become legal, and then to be
even a bit more assured of our existence. This is not only a
problem for </span><span style="font-weight: normal">u</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">s, where you admonish us to
consider that others are more creative despite </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">of </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">their difficult contexts. David
Solomonoff had written on 28 March 2012 about the situation
of the New York Chapter:</span></font></font></p>
<pre class="western" style="margin-left: 1cm; margin-right: 1cm"><font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Even the New York Chapter is hampered by this. We have received some</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">grant money but our all-volunteer group has difficulty finding the time</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">to both do the projects and produce all the documentation - and we have</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Joly, a professional videographer, as one of our most active members.</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">We have had offers of assistance (including financial) from local ESPs</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">we haven't been able to follow up on. Event space is a constant problem.</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">After the controversy about Paul Brigner's appointment I invited him to</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">visit us and he agreed - but I had to really hustle to get a space on</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">short notice.</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Despite the fact that it's possible to do so much online I think that</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">the Internet Society's credibility is hurt by not having a physical</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">space in a city like New York. I was recently talking to a NYC city</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">council staffer about the .nyc TLD - trying to find put what was</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">happening with the application process. I explained who we were and our</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">mission - then he asked me where we were located. When I told him we</font></font></font>
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">didn't have an office his tone immediately changed.</font></font></font></pre>
<p style="font-weight: normal"> <font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3">Interesting similarities in spite of all the
differences.</font></font></p>
<p align="CENTER"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>=
= =</b></font></font></p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">But I
would like also to comment on some elements of the draft LoA –
whatever its present status and future.</font></font><br>
<br>
</p>
<p style="font-weight: normal" align="LEFT"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>The Introduction says “Internet
chapters work together with the Internet Society...”</b> -
are these TWO different entities cooperating? - Some voices so
far have clearly expressed a different understanding: A
society is made up from its members. </font></font> </p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Responsibilities
of
the Parties</b></font></font></p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">Different parties o</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">r</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> different parts of one body? </span><b>“The
Standards of Performance... were developed by a joint task
force of representatives of the chapter community and the
Internet Society...”</b><span style="font-weight: normal">
Did they want to say “a joint task force of representatives
of the chapter community and ISOC staff”?</span></font></font></p>
<p align="LEFT">“<font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>As
to the Chapter, it will:...d) Follow practice that maintain
ISOC's overall reputation and legal standing as an <i>independent
voice</i> for the Internet community.”</b><span
style="font-weight: normal"> - We had assumed that the ISOC
fellowship would assist us to be an </span><i><span
style="font-weight: normal">independent voice</span></i><span
style="font-weight: normal"> – not sold to the combination
of forces as I tried to describe above. But so far we were
told </span><span style="font-weight: normal">by ISOC staff</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">: “No support for the chapter as
such!” - </span><span style="font-weight: normal">Y</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">ou are welcome to explain this
to our Membership and Board why there is no</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">t a</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> tiny part of the total </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">ISOC </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">budget made available for
critical situations like ours. </span></font></font> </p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Standards
of
Performance – the Internet Society agrees to support the
Chapters formation, development, growth... by making
available:... </b></font></font> </p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>-
Tools, materials</b><span style="font-weight: normal">...[following
is a nice list – financial resources for the Chapters is not
in </span><span style="font-weight: normal">it</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">, only for projects etc. </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">- see again what the New York
Chapter said.</span><span style="font-weight: normal">] </span></font></font>
</p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>-
Advice, guidance, and assistance by the associated Internet
Society Regional Bureaus...</b></font></font></p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">[</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">A</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">nd what if we have been waiting
for two years without even ONE such supporting </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">mail</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">, and at the first opportunity
we were told that our concerns are NOT on the agenda, and
Human Rights is still new and therefore not in the </span><span
style="font-weight: normal">ISOC Asia Pacific</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> panorama presented].</span></font></font></p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">Is our Chapter considered to be
“adversaries” for raising th</span><span style="font-weight:
normal">e</span><span style="font-weight: normal">s</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">e</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> question</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">s</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">? </span></font></font> </p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>-
Develop, maintain, and adhere to all legal and/or governing
mandates and/or documents required by the jurisdiction in
which the Chapter operates.</b><span style="font-weight:
normal"> - That is what we try – and we thought we are part
of a fellowship with rich resources that will b</span><span
style="font-weight: normal">e</span><span
style="font-weight: normal"> happy to help.</span></font></font></p>
<br>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>What
Happens
If Either Party Does Not Meet the Defined Objectives to the
Satisfaction of the Other?</b></font></font></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal" align="LEFT"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">Well, we will see if this “two
parties” system will be maintained. It has been said so often:
“There are NOT two parties. There is one: the Internet
Society.”</font></font></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal" align="LEFT"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">But in spite of the wording up here,
as if “both” parties would have to abide mutually by standards
of satisfaction – the following text makes it clear:</font></font></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal" align="LEFT"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">If a chapter does not behave, it will
be admonished, and if this will not bear fruits, it will be
out. </font></font> </p>
<p style="font-weight: normal" align="LEFT"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">I cannot find the corresponding
section: If one or some chapters feel that “ISOC” is heading
in a wrong direction by not abiding by its core values and
disregarding communication, they may still say something,
like: </font></font> </p>
<p style="font-weight: normal" align="LEFT"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3"><i>...</i><i>t</i><i>he </i><a
href="http://www.isoc-ecc.org/?tag=ga"><em><span
style="font-variant: normal"><font color="#000000"><span
style="text-decoration: none"><i>European</i></span></font></span></em><font
color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration: none"><i>
Chapters Coordinating Council</i></span></font></a><font
color="#000000"><i> </i></font><i>raise</i><i>d</i><i> </i><i>a</i><i>
problem </i><i>and does not have a response from staff for
one year</i> – and others say: </font></font> </p>
<p style="font-weight: normal" align="LEFT"><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3"><i>The silence is deafening. Please
respond positively to this debate.</i></font></font></p>
<p style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal" align="LEFT"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">The Chapters have no
instrument similar to “ISOC” which has the power to dismiss. </font></font>
</p>
<br>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>I would like us
to come up with creative solutions to the issues, </b></font></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Thank you very
much. We are looking forward to your suggestions.</font></font><br>
<br>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>..which we can
do so long as there is a willingness to understand our
individual and joint limitations and a commitment to honest,
constructive communications.</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="font-weight: normal">Surely we appreciate this. Some
have more, some have less limitations. We have always been
looking forward and are committed to honest and constructive
communication.</span><b> </b></font></font> </p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Sincerely,</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Ted</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Ted Mooney</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>Sr. Director,
Membership & Services</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><b>The Internet
Society</b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><br>
</font></font><br>
<br>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><br>
Sincerely,</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Norbert Klein</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Member of the
Executive Committee </font></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Internet Society -
Cambodia Chapter</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Our site <a
href="http://www.isoc-kh.org/">http://www.isoc-kh.org</a>
has recently been hacked: some things are still not in order,
but not so obvious; but the ISOC logo and “The Internet is for
everyone” were removed – we will put them up again soon. </font></font>
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