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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I respect Garrett’s opinion. Respect is a commodity which is not given to everybody.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Question: What do you do with a racing horse which has started behaving atypical and is a menace to the people around it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nawab<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>G. S. McNamara<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Faisal Hasan<br><b>Cc:</b> Ian Peter; Chaitanya Dhareshwar; governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Chapter Delegates<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I completely disagree. Simply because a group of people have an issue with the content does not mean that the it should be banned from the Internet or removed at the source. Those people can simply avoid viewing the content themselves, instead of asking that it be removed for the whole world. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Google has a policy to remove content that has threats in it. However, if people become violent in response to a video, that is beyond their control. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am only speaking for myself.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Garrett McNamara<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Faisal Hasan <<a href="mailto:hasansf@gmail.com" target="_blank">hasansf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear All,<br><br>I have been closely following the conversations thats going on about this topic. Thanks to those who have replied or following this discussion. I completely agree with Chaitanya's point. Also, thanks to Ian Peter for the article by Tim Wu, that truly outlines a possible solution.<br><br>As advocates of free and open Internet that serves the good of humanity, global Internet Society and IGC can come together and play our roles. We can definitely provide a join statement about the issue and we can start a working group who will work together to devise a possible solution. Let us put forward our names (or chapters) who wants to work together.<br><br>Thanks<br>Faisal<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ian Peter <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In this context people might find this article by Tim Wu interesting in that it outlines some of the current Google/You Tube principles and suggests improvements based on a Wikipedia style model<br><br><a href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube-should-police-hate-speech" target="_blank">http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube-should-police-hate-speech#</a><br><br>Ian Peter<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="95%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chaitanya Dhareshwar <<a href="http://chaitanyabd@gmail.com" target="_blank">chaitanyabd@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b><<a href="http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, Chaitanya Dhareshwar <<a href="http://chaitanyabd@gmail.com" target="_blank">chaitanyabd@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:29:58 +0530<br><b>To: </b><<a href="http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="http://tapani.tarvainen@effi.org" target="_blank">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube<br><br>I think we all agree<br> <br>1. Freedom of speech is important<br>2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to hurt the sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance") something should be done to prevent that hurt sentiment - strongest being censorship (but what other measures could be used? - as Riaz said 'Reasonable' measures)<br>3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large reach and huge client base should consider possible methods to prevent hate/racist/etc messages (measures werent mentioned - we could work on this)<br>4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3) that can be used without opting for censorship - as Faisal said we need to do our part on this or Governments will probably opt for blanket censorship<br>5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the damage is just too great<br> <br>-C<br><br>On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br><br>On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="http://tapani.tarvainen@effi.org" target="_blank">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On Sep 19 16:26, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (<a href="http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br><br>> > I thought the topic was a possible caucus statement on the censorship<br>> > of youtube, and I've tried to stick to that.<br>> > And if it hasn't become clear yet, I would support a statement<br>> > condemning violence but not one demanding censorship.<br><br>> @ Tapani there was never any discussion on demanding censorship<br><br>I must have misunderstood some messages, then.<br>My apologies for all concerned.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>We are all advocates of an open and free internet at least I think we are. Developing a statement will help to give us an opportunity to craft messages about our position in the midst of the turmoil. How we wordsmith would be collaborative but first it has to resonate within the IGC. If the general consensus is not to develop a statement, then we won't.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888'><br><span class=hoenzb>--</span><br><span class=hoenzb>Tapani Tarvainen</span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br><br><br>-- <br>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<br>P.O. 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