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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/17/2012 6:29 PM, Veni Markovski
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:50570984.1070501@veni.com" type="cite">Agree.
<br>
That's one of the reasons I personally do not interfere recently
in the debate on the by-laws (to the extent such a debate exists,
of course).
<br>
ISOC-Bulgaria will continue to exist, and whether it is a chapter
or not of ISOC - it's not our problem. We have the name and
recognition, which we managed to build on our own, and if the new
by-laws are not in accordance with what we think they should be,
we are not necessarily desperate to continue to be an official
chapter. It's not the task of our organizations to try to be
chapters; the existence of all chapters is something that benefits
ISOC.
<br>
The issues with the letters, affiliations, etc. are so minor,
compared to the possibility of changing the fundamental principles
of the open and free Internet, that it's not worth even discussing
them.
<br>
<br>
v.
<br>
<br>
On 09/17/2012 07:20, Joly MacFie wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">While recognizing these issues are
existential and important I'm
<br>
concerned that, at the forthcoming Chapters & Members
meeting at ICANN
<br>
45, they may lead to such intense navel-gazing that we will not
have
<br>
time to deal with pressing actions like WCIT, OpenStand, AXIS
Project,
<br>
TPP, IPv6, censorship etc etc, where perhaps our efforts would
be
<br>
better directed.
<br>
<br>
j
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-weight: normal">
<font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">I tried to find what
"navel-gazing" means: “often used to refer to
self-absorbed pursuits.” OK – so maybe we should not count any
more that from “ISOC” there will come encouragement and
solidarity while we are under squeeze? </font></font>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-weight: normal"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">Either
the issues are really existential and important, then they are
not
navel gazing. Existential? Yes – we may go out of existence in
the not too distant future. </font></font>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-weight: normal"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">ISOC
Bulgaria will continue to exist – good for you that you could
build
up your name and recognition. I know that this was not easy.</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-weight: normal"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">But
we are under a tightening situation. </font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">(If
somebody is interested, you may read the last report of the “</font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">UN
Special Rapporteur </font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">on
Human Rights in Cambodia” - </font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">immediately
dismissed by the government </font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">as
“biased” and as “outdated”</font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font size="3">):
</font></font><a
href="http://cambodia.ohchr.org/WebDOCs/DocReports/3-SG-RA-Reports/A-HRC-21-63_en.pdf"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">http://cambodia.ohchr.org/WebDOCs/DocReports/3-SG-RA-Reports/A-HRC-21-63_en.pdf</font></font></a></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-style: normal; font-weight:
normal">
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="3"><span style="text-decoration: none">T</span><span
style="text-decoration: none">he
</span><span style="text-decoration: none">suggestion</span><span
style="text-decoration: none">
that we should first of all do fundraising with the ISPs </span></font></font></font><font
color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="text-decoration: none"><font color="#000000"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><span
style="text-decoration: none">
would be paralyzing</span><span
style="text-decoration: none"> </span></font></font></font>(while
some
of them block Internet access selectively, acting against
existing
law, while even the Minister of Post says in front of the
press that
there is no legal basis for that</span><span
style="text-decoration: none">)</span><span
style="text-decoration: none">. </span></font></font></font>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-weight: normal"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3">I
fully agree that "WCIT, OpenStand, AXIS Project, TPP, IPv6,
censorship
etc etc" are important and need attention, in general, and
also by
those of our colleagues who will be at ICANN in Toronto. On
this
level, letters, affiliations, bylaws may be so minor compared
to what
you are going to deal with. Good luck. We may no longer exist,
as a
“not legal group” that cannot achieve legalization because of
what “ISOC” decides to do and not to do.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-weight: normal"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="3"><br>
Norbert Klein<br>
ISOC Cambodia Chapter<br>
</font></font></p>
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