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<br><div><div>On May 30, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi all,<br><br>in ISOC Mexico we are addressing legislators, officials, companies, the regulators, etc. with a simple message about Network Neutrality, after accepting that the term is subject to debate. The message is that Internet access means "five alls": all ports, all protocols, all origins, all destinations, all contents must be accessible.<br><br>Exceptions are - very much in line with what Fred Baker said earlier - related to traffic management and must be exceptional and transparent. Blocking port 25 at the ISP is acceptable as it is an accepted best practice. Certain sites (by name or IP address) may be out of bounds legally. Any other blocking, filtering, or shaping must be well grounded and the user must be informed at least on what the policy is.<br><br>With these arguments we were able to block a very bad NN law initiative which basically cleared ISPs of guilt as long as they informed their clients (I've already told this story here, a few weeks ago.) <br><br>Ms. Kroes arguments - and Sally Wentworth's, though to a lesser extent - don't work the same in non-northern markets where a powerful incumbent or collusion among ISPS/telcos can make true, full Internet access not available. We need to think hard, though, because the alternative, having government or the law force one or all the providers to offer full Internet access may also have unpleasant unintended consequences.<br><br>Let's keep an eye for the global open constantly in ISOC.<br><br>Yours,<br><br>Alejandro Pisanty<br><br>! !! !!! !!!!<br>NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO<br><br><br><br>+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD<br><br>+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO<br><br>SMS +525541444475<br> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico<br><br>Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732<br><br>Blog: <a href="http://pisanty.blogspot.com">http://pisanty.blogspot.com</a><br>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty">http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty</a><br>Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614">http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</a><br>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/apisanty">http://twitter.com/apisanty</a><br>---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, <a href="http://www.isoc.org">http://www.isoc.org</a><br>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .<br><br>________________________________________<br>Desde: <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a> [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] en nombre de Grigori Saghyan [<a href="mailto:gregor@arminco.com">gregor@arminco.com</a>]<br>Enviado el: miércoles, 30 de mayo de 2012 11:20<br>Hasta: <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Net Neutrality<br><br>Dear Carlos, All,<br>My impression of ISOC position is, in general, following: If the<br>operator has different rules for different protocols - it is not the<br>Internet access, it is something other. Operator can use any<br>limitations, but in that case operator do not have any rights to say,<br>that he is an Internet service provider and MUST declare, what kind of<br>limitations for different protocols he has.<br><br><br><br>On 5/30/2012 6:30 PM, <a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com">cveraq@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Internet Society as organization can and must have a voice. An official position. It must have an official channel and also an official section (editorial, official letter, etc) to express that vision or position. In this way no one should ask if this is or not an official position.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Carlos Vera<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Isoc Ecuador<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Eric Burger <<a href="mailto:eburger@standardstrack.com">eburger@standardstrack.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sender: <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 07:06:09<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: Elena Zvarici<<a href="mailto:elena.zvarici@isoc.ro">elena.zvarici@isoc.ro</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cc: chapter-delegates<<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Net Neutrality<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chapter-delegates mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chapter-delegates mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br><br>--<br>Grigori Saghyan<br>PGP Key ID: 0x48E4D5DC<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Chapter-delegates mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>