<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The big problem is <i>finding</i> the rights holders. It is very complicated because of assignment, divorce, giving the cook 1%, etc. It does not help that an email from the royalty clearing houses looks like a Nigerian 419 scam: we owe you $20,000, just send us your bank information and we will pay you what we owe. This data base is supposed to make it much easier for rights holders to get paid.<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Marcin,<div><br></div><div>I asked Jim Griffin for a response to your query and he gave me this:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">This isn't about identifying works, as the codes are, it is about making<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">available more broadly the rights information from around the world such<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">that entrepreneurs and others seeking to license music can do so.</span></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">That is not to say the effort does not encourage or even require the further<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">spread of the codes used to identify sound recordings, songs and those with<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">an interest in them. It does. Such identifiers are the pillars upon which<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">rights information, cultural information, history, performers, background<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">singers and other information resides.</span></blockquote>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">But it is to say this wholly different, and not a money registration grab.<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Far more money is spent in this absence of this information trying to locate<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">rights holders for permission and payment, trying to identify performers for<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">the same and for proper attribution, and so on.</span></blockquote>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It is about using technology for what it does best, pairing people who need<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">information with the information they need, and doing it for a category of<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">content much esteemed on the net: Music.</span></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It is certainly not a first come, first serve registration for money<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">opportunity. It is likely more about resolving conflicts and engaging in<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">dispute resolution to find the true owners and administrators in each<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">territory such that commerce and attribution are made simpler. Registries<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">are more likely libraries, and libraries are more like registries, and both<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">are very different from ICANN and domain registration. Proper music<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">registries are about sorting out claims to what has already been made, not<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">filing claims on new names for new things from which others will profit.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>joly</div>
<div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Marcin Cieslak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:saper@saper.info">saper@saper.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
<br>
> A single, authoritative source of information about rights in music is<br>
> a universal and essential good for the development of a healthy<br>
> digital market for creative content. To achieve this goal the World<br>
> Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is providing technical and<br>
> administrative support to the International Music Registry (IMR)<br>
> Dialogue <<a href="http://www.internationalmusicregistry.org/portal/en/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.internationalmusicregistry.org/portal/en/index.html</a>>,<br>
> which engages stakeholders from all sectors of the music industry and<br>
> all regions in the world. The IMR is global in nature and intends not<br>
> to rival any existing copyright infrastructure but to establish a<br>
> system that will enhance existing databases and identifiers and act as<br>
> a platform for their interoperability.<br>
<br>
</div>Interesting, looks like:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Musical_Work_Code" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Musical_Work_Code</a><br>
<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISRC" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISRC</a> (actually supported on CDs!)<br>
<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Release_Identifier" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Release_Identifier</a><br>
<br>
are not enough... Somebody looking for more money on registration, ICANN-style?<br>
<br>
//Marcin<br>
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