<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Shouldn't be any more difficult then installing a Pki and giving out digital identities to the registered, legitimate rights holders, stored in a rights distribtuion system, basically a counter adding up the owed sum. <br><br>The Nigerian scams are some of the greatest plagues of the free but unisentifiable Internet and they are still very successful at eroding trust in the Internet. Until people learn to use digital identies or design new ones that are easier to use and understand then the sometimes bulky and costly pkis. </div><div><br></div><div>Elena</div><div>Isoc Romania</div><div><br><br>Trimis de pe iPhone-ul meu</div><div>Pe 11.04.2012, la 23:16, Eric Burger <<a href="mailto:eburger@standardstrack.com">eburger@standardstrack.com</a>> a scris:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>The big problem is <i>finding</i> the rights holders. It is very complicated because of assignment, divorce, giving the cook 1%, etc. It does not help that an email from the royalty clearing houses looks like a Nigerian 419 scam: we owe you $20,000, just send us your bank information and we will pay you what we owe. This data base is supposed to make it much easier for rights holders to get paid.<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Marcin,<div><br></div><div>I asked Jim Griffin for a response to your query and he gave me this:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">This isn't about identifying works, as the codes are, it is about making<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">available more broadly the rights information from around the world such<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">that entrepreneurs and others seeking to license music can do so.</span></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">That is not to say the effort does not encourage or even require the further<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">spread of the codes used to identify sound recordings, songs and those with<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">an interest in them. It does. Such identifiers are the pillars upon which<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">rights information, cultural information, history, performers, background<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">singers and other information resides.</span></blockquote>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">But it is to say this wholly different, and not a money registration grab.<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Far more money is spent in this absence of this information trying to locate<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">rights holders for permission and payment, trying to identify performers for<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">the same and for proper attribution, and so on.</span></blockquote>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It is about using technology for what it does best, pairing people who need<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">information with the information they need, and doing it for a category of<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">content much esteemed on the net: Music.</span></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It is certainly not a first come, first serve registration for money<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">opportunity. It is likely more about resolving conflicts and engaging in<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">dispute resolution to find the true owners and administrators in each<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">territory such that commerce and attribution are made simpler. Registries<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">are more likely libraries, and libraries are more like registries, and both<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">are very different from ICANN and domain registration. Proper music<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">registries are about sorting out claims to what has already been made, not<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">filing claims on new names for new things from which others will profit.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>joly</div>
<div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Marcin Cieslak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:saper@saper.info">saper@saper.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
<br>
> A single, authoritative source of information about rights in music is<br>
> a universal and essential good for the development of a healthy<br>
> digital market for creative content. To achieve this goal the World<br>
> Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is providing technical and<br>
> administrative support to the International Music Registry (IMR)<br>
> Dialogue <<a href="http://www.internationalmusicregistry.org/portal/en/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.internationalmusicregistry.org/portal/en/index.html</a>>,<br>
> which engages stakeholders from all sectors of the music industry and<br>
> all regions in the world. The IMR is global in nature and intends not<br>
> to rival any existing copyright infrastructure but to establish a<br>
> system that will enhance existing databases and identifiers and act as<br>
> a platform for their interoperability.<br>
<br>
</div>Interesting, looks like:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Musical_Work_Code" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Musical_Work_Code</a><br>
<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISRC" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISRC</a> (actually supported on CDs!)<br>
<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Release_Identifier" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Release_Identifier</a><br>
<br>
are not enough... Somebody looking for more money on registration, ICANN-style?<br>
<br>
//Marcin<br>
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