<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Norbert<div><br><div><div>I have not any input into INET but I am curious as to how those countries aligned to have China make that statement on their behalf. </div><div>Do you know who or what agency in Cambodia was involved?</div><div><br></div><div>- ITU rep? - UN? - IGF? - Foreign Office?, - other? </div><div><br></div><div>Worth asking Prof Hu don't you think?</div><div>Would she know? ISC may handle internal matters on Internet but external affairs? </div><div><br></div><div>Having her on a panel at INET may be a good opportunity to understand better how China administrates these issues. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 7 Mar 2012, at 10:34, nhklein wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Thanks, Markus and Christian, <br>
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to have my question repeated again down at the end.<br>
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Should I still expect a response? Not to have responses to important
questions is no new experience for me, living in Cambodia since 21
years, where the political atmosphere is characterized by some as "a
culture of silence."<br>
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Still no response so far which I can quote when talking to others
concerned.<br>
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But the silence is being broken: today's Cambodia Daily has an
article "China Looks to Increase Media Presence" - reporting about
the visit of the "Chinese Minister of State of the State Council of
Information Office (SCIO), which controls the country's Internet and
flow of external news" - while a Cambodian spokesperson said that
there will soon be a visit to China "to learn about how China's
media and SCIO works for the interest of the Chinese people, and
which media is playing a vital role in contributing to the
development of China." <br>
<br>
Same as the ISOC panel? Probably not - that is why I asked. And
still wait. I still think the the Geneva events are a serious
affair. <br>
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<br>
Norbert<br>
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On 03/07/2012 04:34 PM, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:9EB3F1D4-6E1A-4354-A261-A3FAC87113B6@firsthand.net" type="cite">It really does come across as bearing a ring of truth
doesn't it! Well done Markus!
<div>PS Another nice touch. The article cites the contribution of
their intern Maricelo Estavillo to the article. That should be
standard procedure!</div>
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<div>best </div>
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<div>Christian <br>
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<div>On 6 Mar 2012, at 15:07, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kummer@isoc.org">kummer@isoc.org</a> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">To those of you
who followed the UN Human Rights Council, this link to
an article in IP watch may be of interest:</div>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ip-watch.org/2012/02/29/un-human-rights-council-rallies-on-right-to-internet-freedom-of-express">http://www.ip-watch.org/2012/02/29/un-human-rights-council-rallies-on-right-to-internet-freedom-of-express</a></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The article
paints a fairly accurate picture of the atmosphere of
the debate, which was very formal with a strong
emphasis on arcane procedural aspects. The reporter
gives some space to the ISOC statement, which he
apparently liked. Our statement was one of only four
interventions by non-governmental actors. Otherwise,
the debate was very much among government
representatives. As not all of the governments who
asked for the floor were given the opportunity to
speak, they questioned the procedures applied to the
debate (obviously resenting the fact that some
non-government representatives were able to speak.)
All in all, a far cry from the usual multistakeholder
setting we are accustomed to and a reminder how
important it is to preserve and enhance the
multistakeholder approach!</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Best regards</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Markus</div>
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<div>On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:35 PM, President ISOC-KH
wrote:</div>
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<div>A video from the UN Human Rights Council,
dealing with the freedom of expression on the
Internet, provides important material for the ISOC
leadership preparing the Geneva meetings.<br>
<br>
I share the opinion of Klaus in his recent mail:
"Some consider it essential to have ISOC
represented on the opening panel. You might want
to answer to this."<br>
<br>
A concept paper for this UN meeting had signaled
the scope of the Panel, saying at the outset:<br>
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“Panel discussion on the right to freedom of
expression on the Internet<br>
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In its decision 18/27, adopted in September 2011,
the Human Rights Council decided “to convene,
within existing resources, at its nineteenth
session, a panel discussion on the promotion and
protection of freedom of expression on the
Internet, with a particular focus on the ways and
means to improve its protection in accordance with
international human rights law.”<br>
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The following is the video provided - not only
focused on the "promotion and protection of
freedom of expression on the Internet":<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.unmultimedia.org/tv/webcast/2012/02/china-panel-on-right-to-freedom-of-expression-19th-session-human-rights-council.html">http://www.unmultimedia.org/tv/webcast/2012/02/china-panel-on-right-to-freedom-of-expression-19th-session-human-rights-council.html</a><br>
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And this statement was made also on behalf of
Algeria, Bangladesh, Belarus, Burundi, Cambodia,
Congo, Cuba, DPRK, Ethiopia, Iran, Laos, Malaysia,
Mauritania, Myanmar, Namibia, Nicaragua, Pakistan,
Palestine, Philippines, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sri
Lanka, Sudan, Turkmenistan, Venezuela, Vietnam,
Uzbekistan, Yemen, Zimbabwe.<br>
<br>
This interesting list contains also Cambodia. When
the discussion about the opening panel at the ISOC
conference started, I had asked for help from the
organizers to explain the list of panelists here -
with China present but not ISOC leadership. - To
ask this question did of course not imply to
disagree with the participation of a high level
Chinese speaker. I have not received a response to
my question so far (and also not to several
others), but the statements at the Human Rights
Council - including in the name of Cambodia -
motivate me to repeat my question.<br>
<br>
<br>
Norbert<br>
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In April 2011, I started a new blog:
...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thinking21.org/">http://www.thinking21.org/</a>
continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
Here are my latest postings:
Why such selective law enforcement? (20.2.2012)
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thinking21.org/?p=794">http://www.thinking21.org/?p=794</a>
Myanmar’s Roadmap to Democracy (27.2.2012)
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thinking21.org/?p=800">http://www.thinking21.org/?p=800</a>
The Freedom of Expression – China and Cambodia – and the Internet (4.3.2012)
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thinking21.org/?p=839">http://www.thinking21.org/?p=839</a>
Norbert Klein
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net">nhklein@gmx.net</a>
Phnom Penh / Cambodia
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