<div style="text-align:left"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The fact that ISOC China is not a part of the Internet Society would be understood by a very few; ISOC China's presence in I Net, in an official capacity on a panel is bound to be superficially viewed by an extended audience to whom the disclaimer from the Internet Society would not reach at all. The subtle psychological effects of an ISOC China statement being confused for the Internet Society's position can't be entirely undone. </span></div>
<div style="text-align:left"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:left"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">If ISOC China is not a part of ISOC and persists on calling itself "ISOC" and "Internet Society", why bring them to the first Global Chapter's event? Unless there are reconciliatiory indications from China that indicates that ISOC China would become part of the ISOC Chapter fold, with an inclination to open up to International views on how the Internet should remain free and open, in which case, Welcome to Internet Society China !</font></div>
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<font color="#333333"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Sivasubramanian M</font></font></font></div><font color="#333333"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><div><font color="#333333"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></font></div><br clear="all"></font></font></font><div>Sivasubramanian M</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Veni Markovski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Klaus, <br>
You may now know it, but ISOC has issued a public statement 10
years ago: <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/1352732" target="_blank">http://www.economist.com/node/1352732</a>
declaring that ISOC China is not affiliated to ISOC, and with such
strong wording:<br>
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The attempt at censorship in China is diametrically opposed to <br>
our principles and <b>we would never endorse a pledge to limit <br>
the dissemination of information nor similar actions </b>that you
<br>
describe. <span></span><br>
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On the <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/chapters-ii/find-chapter" target="_blank">map</a>
of ISOC chapters, there's no ISOC China. <br>
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It seems also that ISOC China is put on the same level as the ITU
and the NITA. There's not even a panelist from ISOC itself, which
seems strange. Hope that ISOC is working on this, and will not leave
it like that?<br>
<br>
Also, might be good to figure out some explanation on the ISOC China
engagement, given ISOC's statement from The Economist.<br>
<br>
<b>Otherwise, I agree with you - we need to talk to China, and ISOC
China, but have to make sure the people who look at the program
don't get the wrong impression ISOC China is an ISOC chapter. </b><br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Veni<div class="im"><br>
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On 2/23/2012 05:27, <a href="http://ISOC.DE" target="_blank">ISOC.DE</a> wrote:
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<pre>Hi Ted,
frankly, based on how the program looks today, I cannot make-up my
mind. I also cannot make-up my mind to register. What I see today is a
list of general topics that we use to rehash again and again. Which
would not be so bad if one could see some spice. But instead of talks,
abstracts, and information there is only a list of more or less shiny
panelists. I mentioned this before and I wonder if, what we have now,
will fill the place.
This said: I was puzzled with the announcement of Mme Hu in the
program. She is correctly announced as Chairperson of Internet Society
of China. But this announcement implicitly suggests that this
organization is affiliated with ISOC - an impression to avoid by all
means (or is it affiliated meanwhile?). The "Internet Society of
China" - an organization under control of the Chinese government - is
responsible for such beautiful things like the "great firewall" that
blocks much of the Internet today. Mme Hu is rather eloquent in
defending her position saying "I don't want to live in a country where
the government doesn't have control over the Internet". Don't get me
wrong: we should talk to them - they are in charge of a huge part of
the Internet (including CNNIC). But as said we should make clear
that they are not affiliated with us (or we with them).
Klaus
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