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I agree with Veni's arguments, <br>
important point is speakers, participation in many cases depends
on who are the speakers. <br>
Grigori Saghyan<br>
ISOC.AM<br>
On 1/26/2012 11:15 PM, Veni Markovski wrote:
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I don't understand the
reaction from ISOC, seriously. <br>
There are no more than 10-20, let them be 50 chapter members,
who might have come to Geneva, if the conference was free. ISOC
came back to the list with another, shall I call it, offer? As
if we are at an Orient market, and the salesmen is trying to
sell what we want to buy, but we all know that arguing about the
price is part of the culture. <br>
Well, I said that I refuse to be awarded as a VVIP (what does
the second "v" stands for - "Veni", or second "very"?) with a
free pass, if that pass does not go to the chapters' members, or
at least chapters' members of the board. I haven't spend 17
years of my life, dedicated to the ideas of ISOC, so that in
return I will be a VVIP, or something like that. <br>
I've respected the organization, I have fought for the
organization - both nationally and around the world, and I have
tried to change it when I was on the Board of Trustees. That's
normal, and I would expect similar from the other Trustees. Many
of them were the Internet pioneers in their countries, and they
do not need the recognition of ISOC HQ that they are such. <br>
<br>
Hope that ISOC can reconsider yet again, and just forget the
usual salesmen discussion. We are not at the market, we are not
trying to buy our participation at a conference for cheaper. We
just believe that since ISOC is widely accepted as a respected
organization, because of its members, and because of its
chapters, it has to be adequately addressing their needs, not
its own. And, on that point, it would be good to know how much
the conference costs, and why ISOC doesn't have money to pay for
all of it, but asks for participation fee. <br>
And even more interesting is to see who the speakers will be. If
you don't have them by now, I am worried that no good ones could
show up at such a short notice.<br>
<br>
v.<br>
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On 1/26/2012 12:35, President ISOC-KH wrote:
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On 01/26/2012 08:06 PM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
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color="#000000"><font face="arial">Ted:</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en-US">$150 might not
seem like a lot of money to some but more than that is the
message that it's being sent by ISOC . I do not think it
reflects "<i>...</i><font face="Arial"><font
style="font-size: 9pt;" size="2"><i>the greatest
respect for our Chapters and the outstanding work
you do...</i></font></font>".</p>
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-ed, just to put this figure into perspective (not that I say
the following is "precise" but it gives some hints) what $150
means as the fee to participate in Geneva as an ISOC member. -
Even if somebody paid my ticket, this is out for me (my salary,
for may year, had nothing to do with my passport nationality -
my choice to work with Cambodian NGOs). And this mail is not to
blame any individual - it is just a plea that those who are in
the upper ten groups in the list down here should not forget the
lower ten groups when making general statements in the name of
ISOC - "The internet is for everyone."<br>
<br>
Or just hide and change this slogan.<br>
<br>
<br>
Norbert<br>
<br>
=<br>
<b><br>
Average monthly salary around the world<br>
</b><br>
Fri Jul 16, 2010<br>
<br>
Ever wonder what's the average salary in other countries? The
list below sort them out in US$...<br>
<br>
Again the list is in US$, convert to your local currencies to
get localized quote.<br>
<br>
2 Switzerland - Geneva / 4246.72<br>
3 Norway - Oslo / 4077.44<br>
4 Ireland - Dublin / 3849.28<br>
5 USA - New York / 3680<br>
6 Luxembourg - Luxembourg / 3610.08<br>
8 UK - London / 3532.8<br>
9 Denmark - Copenhagen / 3521.76<br>
11 Finland - Helsinki / 3278.88<br>
12 Japan - Tokyo / 3216.32<br>
13 Germany - Frankfurt / 3146.4<br>
<br>
<br>
60 China - Shanghai / 482.08<br>
61 Colombia - Bogota / 478.4<br>
62 Ukraine - Kiev / 426.88<br>
63 Kenya - Nairobi / 408.48<br>
64 Thailand - Bangkok / 401.12<br>
66 Mexico - Mexico / 401.12<br>
67 Bulgaria - Sofia / 375.36<br>
68 India - Mumbai / 320.16<br>
69 Indonesia - Jakarta / 301.76<br>
70 Philippines - Manila / 287.04<br>
<br>
Cambodia is, of course, not on the list – too low.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<font color="#999999">-- <br>
In April 2011, I started a new blog:<br>
<br>
...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.thinking21.org/">http://www.thinking21.org/</a><br>
<br>
continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.<br>
This is my latest posting:<br>
<br>
Council of Ministers Spokesperson Censured UN Special Expert
(26.1.2012)<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.thinking21.org/?p=700">http://www.thinking21.org/?p=700</a><br>
<br>
Norbert Klein<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net">nhklein@gmx.net</a><br>
Phnom Penh / Cambodia</font><br>
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