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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Veni Markovski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:veni@veni.com" target="_blank">veni@veni.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I don't understand the
reaction from ISOC, seriously. <br>
There are no more than 10-20, let them be 50 chapter members, who
might have come to Geneva, if the conference was free. ISOC came
back to the list with another, shall I call it, offer? As if we
are at an Orient market, and the salesmen is trying to sell what
we want to buy, but we all know that arguing about the price is
part of the culture. <br>
Well, I said that I refuse to be awarded as a VVIP (what does the
second "v" stands for - "Veni", or second "very"?) with a free
pass, if that pass does not go to the chapters' members, or at
least chapters' members of the board. I haven't spend 17 years of
my life, dedicated to the ideas of ISOC, so that in return I will
be a VVIP, or something like that. <br>
I've respected the organization, I have fought for the
organization - both nationally and around the world, and I have
tried to change it when I was on the Board of Trustees. That's
normal, and I would expect similar from the other Trustees. Many
of them were the Internet pioneers in their countries, and they do
not need the recognition of ISOC HQ that they are such. <br>
<br>
Hope that ISOC can reconsider yet again, and just forget the usual
salesmen discussion. We are not at the market, we are not trying
to buy our participation at a conference for cheaper. We just
believe that since ISOC is widely accepted as a respected
organization, because of its members, and because of its chapters,
it has to be adequately addressing their needs, not its own. And,
on that point, it would be good to know how much the conference
costs, and why ISOC doesn't have money to pay for all of it, but
asks for participation fee. <br>
And even more interesting is to see who the speakers will be. If
you don't have them by now, I am worried that no good ones could
show up at such a short notice.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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v.<br>
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On 1/26/2012 12:35, President ISOC-KH wrote:
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On 01/26/2012 08:06 PM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in" lang="en-US"> <font color="#000000"><font face="arial">Ted:</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" lang="en-US">$150 might not
seem like a lot of money to some but more than that is the
message that it's being sent by ISOC . I do not think it
reflects "<i>...</i><font face="Arial"><font style="font-size:9pt" size="2"><i>the greatest respect
for our Chapters and the outstanding work you do...</i></font></font>".</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" lang="en-US">-ed</p>
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-ed, just to put this figure into perspective (not that I say the
following is "precise" but it gives some hints) what $150 means as
the fee to participate in Geneva as an ISOC member. - Even if
somebody paid my ticket, this is out for me (my salary, for may
year, had nothing to do with my passport nationality - my choice
to work with Cambodian NGOs). And this mail is not to blame any
individual - it is just a plea that those who are in the upper ten
groups in the list down here should not forget the lower ten
groups when making general statements in the name of ISOC - "The
internet is for everyone."<br>
<br>
Or just hide and change this slogan.<br>
<br>
<br>
Norbert<br>
<br>
=<br>
<b><br>
Average monthly salary around the world<br>
</b><br>
Fri Jul 16, 2010<br>
<br>
Ever wonder what's the average salary in other countries? The list
below sort them out in US$...<br>
<br>
Again the list is in US$, convert to your local currencies to get
localized quote.<br>
<br>
2 Switzerland - Geneva / 4246.72<br>
3 Norway - Oslo / 4077.44<br>
4 Ireland - Dublin / 3849.28<br>
5 USA - New York / 3680<br>
6 Luxembourg - Luxembourg / 3610.08<br>
8 UK - London / 3532.8<br>
9 Denmark - Copenhagen / 3521.76<br>
11 Finland - Helsinki / 3278.88<br>
12 Japan - Tokyo / 3216.32<br>
13 Germany - Frankfurt / 3146.4<br>
<br>
<br>
60 China - Shanghai / 482.08<br>
61 Colombia - Bogota / 478.4<br>
62 Ukraine - Kiev / 426.88<br>
63 Kenya - Nairobi / 408.48<br>
64 Thailand - Bangkok / 401.12<br>
66 Mexico - Mexico / 401.12<br>
67 Bulgaria - Sofia / 375.36<br>
68 India - Mumbai / 320.16<br>
69 Indonesia - Jakarta / 301.76<br>
70 Philippines - Manila / 287.04<br>
<br>
Cambodia is, of course, not on the list – too low.<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<font color="#999999">-- <br>
In April 2011, I started a new blog:<br>
<br>
...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia<br>
<a href="http://www.thinking21.org/" target="_blank">http://www.thinking21.org/</a><br>
<br>
continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.<br>
This is my latest posting:<br>
<br>
Council of Ministers Spokesperson Censured UN Special Expert
(26.1.2012)<br>
<a href="http://www.thinking21.org/?p=700" target="_blank">http://www.thinking21.org/?p=700</a><br>
<br>
Norbert Klein<br>
<a href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net" target="_blank">nhklein@gmx.net</a><br>
Phnom Penh / Cambodia</font><br>
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