<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:apisan@unam.mx">apisan@unam.mx</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>the statements are indeed pretty clear about the general principles against ill-advised technical measures and in particular against the DNS provisions of US SOPA. These as you know have been removed by the initiator of the law (according to the news.) </div>
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<div>I don't see any clear guidance emerging directly from there that we in chapters outside the US can use for deciding whether we join the proposed blackout in a few hours. </div>
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<div>To begin with: should we AT ALL intervene in a discussion of a law in a country that is not ours? Why, how, in what terms? If we do so in a way not coordinated with ISOC HQ are we helping or damaging the ISOC HQ in the US and their ability to weigh in
on the process in a timely way? Are those who decide to participate out-of-control rogues or brave pioneers?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dear Alejandro</div><div><br></div><div>ISOC's (global) representation on this and other issues are moderate, balanced and in conformity with the norms of diplomacy. </div>
<div><br></div><div>1. Chapters could participate and respond to these developments in such a manner that what we decide is in tune with ISOC's beliefs, but as Chapters largely comprising Individual Users, we have a greater freedom to express, a little more directly, our views. The involvement of chapters on issues of this nature could thus be two-fold. 1) being part of the ISOC Global's position and 2) representing the views of the Chapter members and the local community members, perhaps after consulting other chapters on the validity and propriety of the views. The sum total of this 'two'-fold approach is a complementary whole.</div>
<div><br></div><div>2. This could not possibly be construed as a US National issue. The implications of US decisions on Internet Policy stretches beyond its borders, worldwide. SOPA / PIPA seek intervention on sites that are non-US sites as well, and naturally US would do extended work on the basis of an ACT like this to cover the rest of the world with the 'wisdom' enshrined in the Act.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As far as Internet is concerned, the issues are transnational. That is the primary reason why I am raising APPARENTLY India-specific issues on this International forum, at the risk of being reminded by the Government of India that I am "an Indian first".</div>
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<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 17 de enero de 2012 00:26<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch<br>
<b>CC:</b> <a href="mailto:President@isoc-au.org.au" target="_blank">President@isoc-au.org.au</a>; ISOC Chapter Delegates; Raul Echeberria<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] English Wikipedia going dark tomorrow!<br>
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<div>We have seen two statements from ISOC
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<div>Dec 13: <a href="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2764" target="_blank">http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2764</a></div>
<div>Dec 5: <a href="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2732" target="_blank">http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2732</a></div>
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<div>It is true that both address the DNS provisions, but I think phrasing like the Dec 5 opening para:</div>
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<span style="line-height:18px;color:rgb(85,85,85);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">The Internet Society has noted with concern a number of U.S. legislative proposals that would mandate
DNS blocking and filtering by ISPs in order to protect the interests of copyright holders. We agree with proponents of the Protect-IP Act (PIPA) and Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) that combating illegal online activities is a very important public policy objective.
However, policies that are enacted to achieve this goal must not undermine the viability of the Internet as a globally reachable platform. After close examination and consultation with the Internet community, we do not believe that the current U.S. legislative
proposals are consistent with these basic principles.</span></blockquote>
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<div>is fairly unambiguous.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
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Dear Narelle,<br>
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this may sound unpleasant to you but... you are a Tustee, we are humble volunteers disconnected from the general strategy of ISOC.<br>
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Many of us are under pressure from Chapter members and others in our local communities to join the protest and are seen as sitting on our hands upon a block of dry ice because we are waiting for guidance from HQ.<br>
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IF the Board of Trustees is not discussing the matter as urgent - and being a former Trustee I know this can happen - and IF nobody else at "the top" has a word about the general strategy of ISOC for these fast-happening reactions, can we understand that each
chapter is free to react, and will not cause even a frown from the PR apparatus of ISOC?<br>
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You may find further guidance in the word of our Chair, Raul Echeberria, in <a href="http://mexico.cnn.com/videos/2012/01/13/el-contenido-de-la-ley-sopa" target="_blank">
http://mexico.cnn.com/videos/2012/01/13/el-contenido-de-la-ley-sopa</a>. No mention of ISOC is made, though, and he appears only as CEO of LACNIC (in Spanish).<br>
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I'm really really sorry if I appear as a nuisance. There's just an urgency to make decisions - joining the blackout is less than 24 hours away for some like... you!<br>
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Yours,<br>
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Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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Enviado el: lunes, 16 de enero de 2012 23:56<br>
Hasta: ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
Asunto: [Chapter-delegates] English Wikipedia going dark tomorrow!<br>
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This looks like a strong protest!<br>
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Thoughts anyone?<br>
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To: English Wikipedia Readers and Community<br>
From: Sue Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director<br>
Date: January 16, 2012<br>
Today, the Wikipedia community announced its decision to black out the<br>
English-language Wikipedia for 24 hours, worldwide, beginning at 05:00 UTC<br>
on Wednesday, January 18 (you can read the statement from the Wikimedia<br>
Foundation here). The blackout is a protest against proposed legislation<br>
in the United States—the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the U.S. House<br>
of Representatives, and the PROTECTIP Act (PIPA) in the U.S. Senate—that,<br>
if passed, would seriously damage the free and open Internet, including<br>
Wikipedia.<br>
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This will be the first time the English Wikipedia has ever staged a public<br>
protest of this nature, and it’s a decision that wasn’t lightly made.<br>
etc at<br>
<a href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout" target="_blank">http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout</a><br>
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More info on SOPA:<br>
Try our Harvard colleague (Jonathan Zittrain and BoT member) who is<br>
actively working on this topic:<br>
<a href="http://futureoftheinternet.org/sopa-compromise" target="_blank">http://futureoftheinternet.org/sopa-compromise</a><br>
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and him on Colbert talking about it:<br>
<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111202/09361816954/colbert-takes-sopa.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111202/09361816954/colbert-takes-sopa.shtml</a><br>
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Cheers<br>
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