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Joly,
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<div>the statements are indeed pretty clear about the general principles against ill-advised technical measures and in particular against the DNS provisions of US SOPA. These as you know have been removed by the initiator of the law (according to the news.) </div>
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<div>I don't see any clear guidance emerging directly from there that we in chapters outside the US can use for deciding whether we join the proposed blackout in a few hours. </div>
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<div>To begin with: should we AT ALL intervene in a discussion of a law in a country that is not ours? Why, how, in what terms? If we do so in a way not coordinated with ISOC HQ are we helping or damaging the ISOC HQ in the US and their ability to weigh in
on the process in a timely way? Are those who decide to participate out-of-control rogues or brave pioneers?</div>
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<div>Yours,</div>
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<div>Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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<div id="divRpF980734" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>Desde:</b> joly.nyc@gmail.com [joly.nyc@gmail.com] en nombre de Joly MacFie [joly@punkcast.com]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 17 de enero de 2012 00:26<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch<br>
<b>CC:</b> President@isoc-au.org.au; ISOC Chapter Delegates; Raul Echeberria<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] English Wikipedia going dark tomorrow!<br>
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<div>We have seen two statements from ISOC
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<div>Dec 13: <a href="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2764" target="_blank">http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2764</a></div>
<div>Dec 5: <a href="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2732" target="_blank">http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2732</a></div>
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<div>It is true that both address the DNS provisions, but I think phrasing like the Dec 5 opening para:</div>
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<span style="color:rgb(85,85,85); font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13px; line-height:18px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The Internet Society has noted with concern a number of U.S. legislative proposals that would mandate
DNS blocking and filtering by ISPs in order to protect the interests of copyright holders. We agree with proponents of the Protect-IP Act (PIPA) and Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) that combating illegal online activities is a very important public policy objective.
However, policies that are enacted to achieve this goal must not undermine the viability of the Internet as a globally reachable platform. After close examination and consultation with the Internet community, we do not believe that the current U.S. legislative
proposals are consistent with these basic principles.</span></blockquote>
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<div>is fairly unambiguous.</div>
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<div>joly</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:apisan@unam.mx" target="_blank">apisan@unam.mx</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dear Narelle,<br>
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this may sound unpleasant to you but... you are a Tustee, we are humble volunteers disconnected from the general strategy of ISOC.<br>
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Many of us are under pressure from Chapter members and others in our local communities to join the protest and are seen as sitting on our hands upon a block of dry ice because we are waiting for guidance from HQ.<br>
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IF the Board of Trustees is not discussing the matter as urgent - and being a former Trustee I know this can happen - and IF nobody else at "the top" has a word about the general strategy of ISOC for these fast-happening reactions, can we understand that each
chapter is free to react, and will not cause even a frown from the PR apparatus of ISOC?<br>
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You may find further guidance in the word of our Chair, Raul Echeberria, in <a href="http://mexico.cnn.com/videos/2012/01/13/el-contenido-de-la-ley-sopa" target="_blank">
http://mexico.cnn.com/videos/2012/01/13/el-contenido-de-la-ley-sopa</a>. No mention of ISOC is made, though, and he appears only as CEO of LACNIC (in Spanish).<br>
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I'm really really sorry if I appear as a nuisance. There's just an urgency to make decisions - joining the blackout is less than 24 hours away for some like... you!<br>
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Yours,<br>
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Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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+52-(1)-55-5105-6044</a>, <a href="tel:%2B52-%281%29-55-5418-3732" value="+5215554183732" target="_blank">
+52-(1)-55-5418-3732</a><br>
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chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a> [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] en nombre de Narelle Clark [<a href="mailto:President@isoc-au.org.au" target="_blank">President@isoc-au.org.au</a>]<br>
Enviado el: lunes, 16 de enero de 2012 23:56<br>
Hasta: ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
Asunto: [Chapter-delegates] English Wikipedia going dark tomorrow!<br>
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This looks like a strong protest!<br>
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Thoughts anyone?<br>
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To: English Wikipedia Readers and Community<br>
From: Sue Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director<br>
Date: January 16, 2012<br>
Today, the Wikipedia community announced its decision to black out the<br>
English-language Wikipedia for 24 hours, worldwide, beginning at 05:00 UTC<br>
on Wednesday, January 18 (you can read the statement from the Wikimedia<br>
Foundation here). The blackout is a protest against proposed legislation<br>
in the United States—the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the U.S. House<br>
of Representatives, and the PROTECTIP Act (PIPA) in the U.S. Senate—that,<br>
if passed, would seriously damage the free and open Internet, including<br>
Wikipedia.<br>
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This will be the first time the English Wikipedia has ever staged a public<br>
protest of this nature, and it’s a decision that wasn’t lightly made.<br>
etc at<br>
<a href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout" target="_blank">http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout</a><br>
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More info on SOPA:<br>
Try our Harvard colleague (Jonathan Zittrain and BoT member) who is<br>
actively working on this topic:<br>
<a href="http://futureoftheinternet.org/sopa-compromise" target="_blank">http://futureoftheinternet.org/sopa-compromise</a><br>
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and him on Colbert talking about it:<br>
<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111202/09361816954/colbert-takes-sopa.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111202/09361816954/colbert-takes-sopa.shtml</a><br>
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Cheers<br>
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Narelle Clark<br>
President<br>
Internet Society of Australia<br>
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