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I raised this issue at a luncheon at INET DC a couple of years ago.
Someone suggested that for corporate products, liability insurance
rates might be the appropriate "educator." But in the U.S., nuclear
plants are outside the realm of such insurance. (I'm not certain of
this, but recall the Federal government providing some overall
protection as the insurance companies said - too hot for us.)<br>
<br>
Google's work on automated auto controls is another area where a
ubiquitous protocol causes concern. And similarly in aviation: Did I
read about an airline that inadvertently tied its on-board
entertainment system into the control system? <br>
<br>
Perhaps an area on the new ISOC website: Explorations Into
Inappropriate Uses for TCP/IP <br>
<br>
Tom<br>
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On 11/25/2011 10:00 AM, David Solomonoff wrote:
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I've wanted ISOC-NY to address this in terms of net-connected
medical equipment for some time. I spoke to the Software Freedom
Law Center who have been doing work on this as well as the head of
the Occupation Therapy student group here at the State University
of New York Downstate Medical Center. I need to follow up on this
and make a date.<br>
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The solution in many cases is better security - although some
military and law enforcement systems are completely isolated -
this was discussed at INET Philly as you may recall.<br>
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On 11/25/11 12:58 AM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:
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Joly,<br>
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Let me begin by saying that I missed the start of the discussion
to which to responded below. But it seems close enough to an
issue I've had on my mind for some time and I thought I'd
comment, possibly forcing an inappropriate connection. But here
goes... <br>
<br>
I'm not sure I'm 100% with "The Internet is for everyone". It
reminds me of Internet everywhere. And it/they sound a bit like
the positions organizations like AAA (American Automobile
Association) and NRA take, in essence, cars and guns everywhere.<br>
<br>
To my mind, there are better and worse uses of cars and guns and
the Internet. And I think the ISOC should weight in here. For
example, I think there is certain infrastructure I'd like to be
offline, e.g., nuclear bombs and plants. <br>
<br>
Is there a limit to the Net? Does / should ISOC take a position
here?<br>
<br>
Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:18 AM,
Peter Koch <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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flabbergasted by Internet Society<br>
people jumping the bandwaggon into a walled garden.<br>
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<div>"The Internet is for everyone" means even walled
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