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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Dear Eric</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">I am certainly not suggesting that ISOC provide
aid and assistance to law enforcement. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">My thought was that for those Chapters (and
others) who do not follow closely announcements etc relating to security
(including cybersecurity), that it might be helpful for ISOC to
ciculate information (such as this Announcement) which might be
relevant to Chapters and others. (I may be wrong, but my understanding is
that one area covered by ISOC staff relates to Security).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Kind regards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Tricia</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=eburger@standardstrack.com
href="mailto:eburger@standardstrack.com">Eric Burger</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=tricia.drakes@gmail.com
href="mailto:tricia.drakes@gmail.com">Tricia Drakes</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter Delegates</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 26, 2011 6:20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Bod]
The Internet and Human Rights</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Are you suggesting that ISOC provide aid and assistance to law
enforcement? In this case, the U.S. government is posting its information
for everyone to see, including Occupy Wall Street "members." Are you
suggesting we should tell the U.S. government to be less transparent?
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<DIV>I would offer that ISOC as a whole must not get directly involved with
such a move, as one country's law enforcement is often another country's
repressive regime. We cannot side with one government over another.
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<DIV>While ISOC as a whole should not get involved with such a case, I would
offer it may be appropriate for local Chapters to get involved with incidents
of interest, and ask for global help as needed.</DIV>
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<DIV>As for this incident, would the consensus at ISOC-NY be to help the local
police monitor Internet traffic and try to help prevent violent confrontation,
or for ISOC-NY to help the protesters securely communicate their plans so as
to be invisible to the local police? Could ISOC-NY come to a consensus?</DIV>
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<DIV>On Sep 26, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Tricia Drakes wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Dear Joly</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">I agree that the NYC?NYPD issue raised by
David is very different from the issue of Freedom of Expression on the
Internet.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">However, colleagues may be interested
in the background to the NY "operation" ... and I believe it
raises much broader issues including Security.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">The following Announcment was issued at the
beginning of September 2011, and I believe cirulated widely within
security groups. (including the Internet Security Alliance of
which I think ISOC is a member). </FONT></DIV>
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href="http://netforum.avectra.com/public/DocumentGenerate.aspx?wbn_key=d648036c-2b30-40db-876e-a1effc672026.pdf"><FONT
face=Calibri>http://netforum.avectra.com/public/DocumentGenerate.aspx?wbn_key=d648036c-2b30-40db-876e-a1effc672026.pdf</FONT></A></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">"Operation Wall Street" was just one of
the matters covered in the Announcement. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">In relation to "Operation Wall Street", the
Announcement indicated that plans were emerging for similar protests
including in London, Paris, Madrid, Milan and San Francisco. The
"operation" was also indicated to last for "a few months".</FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS">There have been many press reports since 17 September
2011 when "Operation Wall Street" started. (Put "Operation Wall
Street" in Google search ... and you will see for yourself!)</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS">Below are links to examples of reports in British
press:</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><A
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/19/occupy-wall-street-financial-system"><FONT
face=Calibri>http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/19/occupy-wall-street-financial-system</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial> <STRONG>19 September
2011</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P><SPAN lang=EN-GB>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><A
href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/hundreds-march-in-protest-against-wall-street-greed-2361053.html"><FONT
face=Calibri>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/hundreds-march-in-protest-against-wall-street-greed-2361053.html</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial> <STRONG>26 September 2011</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">In relation to the other
matters covered in the Announcement (which perhaps have more relevance
generally for us), and assuming that ISOC receives such announcments,
perhaps an "early warning system" for Chapters and others might be
worth considering. (Apologies if I have missed this ... and it
is already being dealt with elsewhere in ISOC Communications).</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS">Kind regards</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS">Tricia Drakes</FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=joly@punkcast.com href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">Joly MacFie</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter Delegates</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 26, 2011 5:47
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
[Bod] The Internet and Human Rights</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>With respect, David, how the NYPD treat street protesters
is a totally different kettle of fish to <SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span>Freedom of Expression on the Internet, and the
establishment of an Expert Panel to study same.</SPAN>
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face="arial, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="arial, sans-serif">Markus, it's
not clear how the multi-stakeholder panelists might be selected. I look
forward to hearing more. Also, is this an International effort or just for
Sweden?</FONT></DIV>
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face="arial, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="arial, sans-serif">Cynthia, are
there other precedents in the UDHR of provisions for the
disabled?</FONT></DIV>
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face="arial, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:51 PM, David Solomonoff
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:president@isoc-ny.org">president@isoc-ny.org</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Forwarding the discussion of the global Internet
Society's stance on human rights re: NYC Wall Street protests to various
friends:<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>--
<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Joly
MacFie 218 565 9365 <A
href="Skype:punkcast">Skype:punkcast</A><BR>WWWhatsup NYC - <A
href="http://wwwhatsup.com/"
target=_blank>http://wwwhatsup.com</A><BR> <A
href="http://pinstand.com/" target=_blank>http://pinstand.com</A> - <A
href="http://punkcast.com/"
target=_blank>http://punkcast.com</A><BR> VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - <A
href="http://isoc-ny.org/"
target=_blank>http://isoc-ny.org</A><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------<BR>-<BR></DIV></DIV>
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