<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Are you suggesting that ISOC provide aid and assistance to law enforcement? In this case, the U.S. government is posting its information for everyone to see, including Occupy Wall Street "members." Are you suggesting we should tell the U.S. government to be less transparent? <div><br></div><div>I would offer that ISOC as a whole must not get directly involved with such a move, as one country's law enforcement is often another country's repressive regime. We cannot side with one government over another.<div><br></div><div>While ISOC as a whole should not get involved with such a case, I would offer it may be appropriate for local Chapters to get involved with incidents of interest, and ask for global help as needed.</div><div><br></div><div>As for this incident, would the consensus at ISOC-NY be to help the local police monitor Internet traffic and try to help prevent violent confrontation, or for ISOC-NY to help the protesters securely communicate their plans so as to be invisible to the local police? Could ISOC-NY come to a consensus?</div><div><br><div><br><div><div>On Sep 26, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Tricia Drakes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">Dear Joly</font></div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">I agree that the NYC?NYPD issue raised by David
is very different from the issue of Freedom of Expression on the
Internet.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">However, colleagues may be interested in
the background to the NY "operation" ... and I believe it raises
much broader issues including Security.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">The following Announcment was issued at the
beginning of September 2011, and I believe cirulated widely within security
groups. (including the Internet Security Alliance of which
I think ISOC is a member). </font></div>
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<div><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://netforum.avectra.com/public/DocumentGenerate.aspx?wbn_key=d648036c-2b30-40db-876e-a1effc672026.pdf"><font face="Calibri">http://netforum.avectra.com/public/DocumentGenerate.aspx?wbn_key=d648036c-2b30-40db-876e-a1effc672026.pdf</font></a></p></div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">"Operation Wall Street" was just one of the
matters covered in the Announcement. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">In relation to "Operation Wall Street", the
Announcement indicated that plans were emerging for similar protests including
in London, Paris, Madrid, Milan and San Francisco. The "operation" was
also indicated to last for "a few months".</font></div>
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<div><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Comic Sans MS">There
have been many press reports since 17 September 2011 when "Operation Wall
Street" started. (Put "Operation Wall Street" in Google search ... and you
will see for yourself!)</font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Below
are links to examples of reports in British press:</font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/19/occupy-wall-street-financial-system"><font face="Calibri">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/19/occupy-wall-street-financial-system</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial"> <strong>19 September
2011</strong></font></span></p><span lang="EN-GB"><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/hundreds-march-in-protest-against-wall-street-greed-2361053.html"><font face="Calibri">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/hundreds-march-in-protest-against-wall-street-greed-2361053.html</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial"> <strong>26 September 2011</strong></font></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"></span><font face="Comic Sans MS">In relation to the other
matters covered in the Announcement (which perhaps have more relevance
generally for us), and assuming that ISOC receives such announcments,
perhaps an "early warning system" for Chapters and others might be worth
considering. (Apologies if I have missed this ... and it is already
being dealt with elsewhere in ISOC Communications).</font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Kind
regards</font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Tricia Drakes</font> </p></span></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="joly@punkcast.com" href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">Joly MacFie</a>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter Delegates</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 26, 2011 5:47
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Bod]
The Internet and Human Rights</div>
<div><br></div>With respect, David, how the NYPD treat street protesters is a
totally different kettle of fish to <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px" class="Apple-style-span">Freedom of Expression on the Internet, and the
establishment of an Expert Panel to study same.</span>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">Markus, it's not
clear how the multi-stakeholder panelists might be selected. I look forward to
hearing more. Also, is this an International effort or just for
Sweden?</font></div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">Cynthia, are there
other precedents in the UDHR of provisions for the disabled?</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:51 PM, David Solomonoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:president@isoc-ny.org">president@isoc-ny.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Forwarding the discussion of the global Internet Society's
stance on human rights re: NYC Wall Street protests to various
friends:<br><br></blockquote></div>--
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