<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">Anne,<br></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">This position by ISOC is exemplary.</font></div>
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</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Raul Echeberria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raul@lacnic.net">raul@lacnic.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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El 15/07/2011, a las 11:17, Anne Lord <<a href="mailto:lord@isoc.org">lord@isoc.org</a>> escribió:<br>
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> Dear Colleagues,<br>
><br>
> Many thanks to Franck (for spotting) and to everyone else who posted comments to this list regarding the 'TYRANNY_ALERT' IETF video. While we don't like the altered video, and we understand sentiments to want it taken<br>
> down, ISOC continues to feel strongly that freedom of expression is core to the principles that we espouse.<br>
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> As Alejandro and others point out, the Internet Society as an organisation must be careful to show respect for it's own core principles as described at: <a href="http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/principles.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/principles.shtml</a>. Specifically we uphold and defend "the ability to speak" as one of our core values. As such, we believe strongly that no action should be taken by any of us to ask for the video to be taken down.<br>
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> Thank you to everyone who contributed to the discussion.<br>
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> Best wishes<br>
> Anne<br>
> ---<br>
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> On 12/07/2011, at 11:40 PM, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:<br>
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>> Hi friends,<br>
>><br>
>> I've sent email on this matter to the Board of Trustees list, ergo also to Lynn and other top staff. The gist of it which I think I need to share with the Chapters list is as follows:<br>
>><br>
>> "I'd wait at least the time it takes to breathe thrice before deciding what<br>
>> to do. The person who posted the video must have plenty of arguments - or<br>
>> will promptly be supplied with them - that the video is being repurposed<br>
>> for satyrical and opinion purposes and invoke some US Constitution First<br>
>> Amendment arguments.<br>
>><br>
>> If that happens ISOC could find itself in a hot spot for violating its own<br>
>> proclaimed principles, plus overreacting, plus giving the video its time<br>
>> under the Sun by creating the news in the reaction. We could easily become<br>
>> the poster child for crisis mismanagement."<br>
>><br>
>> I'm surprised a bit that Franck and Joly have asked for the takedown of the video. While I find it unpleasant and misguided I would hate to create a situation that turns a mild annoyance into a "United Airlines breaks guitars" case.<br>
>><br>
>> What do others think?<br>
>><br>
>> Alejandro Pisanty<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> * Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</a><br>
>><br>
>> * Ven a ISOC Mexico, <a href="http://www.isoc.org.mx" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org.mx</a>, ISOC <a href="http://www.isoc.org" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org</a><br>
>> *Participa en ICANN, <a href="http://www.icann.org" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org</a><br>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:38:07 -0400<br>
>>> From: Joly MacFie <<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">joly@punkcast.com</a>><br>
>>> To: Franck Martin <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com">franck@avonsys.com</a>><br>
>>> Cc: Chapter Delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Short video explaining the IETF<br>
>>> YouTube has an easy form - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/copyright_complaint_form" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/copyright_complaint_form</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> Mind you, I have fought off a few of these in my time. But I don't think<br>
>>> there'll be much of an argument in this case.<br>
>>><br>
>>> j<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Franck Martin <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com">franck@avonsys.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> and a sample of all these take down notices:<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512c/notice.cgi?NoticeID=67714" target="_blank">http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512c/notice.cgi?NoticeID=67714</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>> *From: *"Joly MacFie" <<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">joly@punkcast.com</a>><br>
>>>> *To: *"Franck Martin" <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com">franck@avonsys.com</a>><br>
>>>> *Cc: *"Chapter Delegates" <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>, "Anne Lord"<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:lord@isoc.org">lord@isoc.org</a>>, "Greg Wood" <<a href="mailto:wood@isoc.org">wood@isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 12 July, 2011 2:08:15 PM<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Short video explaining the IETF<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You have to laugh, eh? IETF, tool of the New World Order.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'd imagine that a DMCA notice would have to come from Reston.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/t/dmca_policy" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/t/dmca_policy</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> j<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Franck Martin <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com">franck@avonsys.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> This link is way better: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0anecPrsgog&NR=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0anecPrsgog&NR=1</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Funny this is what I was afraid people would be scared of...<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Anyhow, Anne, time to write to youtube for a take down, violation of<br>
>>>>> copyright.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>>> *From: *"Joly MacFie" <<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">joly@punkcast.com</a>><br>
>>>>> *To: *"Anne Lord" <<a href="mailto:lord@isoc.org">lord@isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>>> *Cc: *"Chapter Delegates" <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 12 July, 2011 2:00:13 PM<br>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Short video explaining the IETF<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Funnily enough I just noticed this on the ietf site today. I thought I<br>
>>>>> hadn't seen it before!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Is it possible to d/l a HD version for use in our tv show?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> BTW the ietf announcements list, for anyone (like myself until earlier<br>
>>>>> today) who isn't on it, is at<br>
>>>>> <a href="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> j<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Anne Lord <<a href="mailto:lord@isoc.org">lord@isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> You may be interested in the short video below which describes the work<br>
>>>>>> of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) to newcomers and novices.<br>
>>>>>> The Internet Society is the organisational home for the IETF and the<br>
>>>>>> Internet Architecture Board (IAB). The video is at :<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=tqc8vd_jPpg&feature=player_**embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=tqc8vd_jPpg&feature=player_**embedded</a><<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqc8vd_jPpg&feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqc8vd_jPpg&feature=player_embedded</a>>.<br>
>>>>>> It is also linked from : <a href="http://www.ietf.org/support" target="_blank">http://www.ietf.org/support</a>.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> One of the goals of the Internet Society is to broaden awareness of the<br>
>>>>>> work of the IETF. Including this video in presentations about your Chapter<br>
>>>>>> in the context of the work and mission of the Internet Society could be a<br>
>>>>>> way to reach new members, in particular students and youth. For this type of<br>
>>>>>> audience, the video may also go well with the Next Generation Leaders<br>
>>>>>> presentation available for Chapters at: <a href="http://www.isoc.org/isoc/**" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org/isoc/**</a><br>
>>>>>> chapters/guidelines/docs/ngl-**toolkit-template.ppt<<a href="http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/guidelines/docs/ngl-toolkit-template.ppt" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/guidelines/docs/ngl-toolkit-template.ppt</a>>(with speakers notes).<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We hope this is useful.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Best wishes<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Anne<br>
>>>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**<br>
>>>>>> ---------<br>
>>>>>> Anne Lord, <<a href="mailto:lord@isoc.org">lord@isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>>>> Director of Chapters <a href="http://www.isoc.org" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org</a><br>
>>>>>> Internet Society "The Internet is for everyone"<br>
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