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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I intervene as an outsider but expert in EU law.
When Romania joined EU it accepted the "acquis communautaire" the preexisting
legal framework , thus the obligation to amend its legislation in domains
contravening EU secondary legislation according to the principle of
supremacy of EU legislation. But as I understand it, the Romanian Court did not
declare unconstitutional the EU directive (which they could have done since they
have no such competence) they declared unconstitutional the national legislation
implementing the directive. A directive is a broad framework stating the
objectives to be attained leaving to the member state the responsibility of the
means adopted. This means simply new legislation has to be adopted in
conformity with both EU directive and the national constitution. Nothing
dramatic of revolutionary this has been done several times in the past
elsewhere.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The end of a beautiful friendship has meaning
only if a member state drops out of the EU.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>best </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Costas Popotas </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Luxembourg</FONT> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=eduard.tric@isoc.ro href="mailto:eduard.tric@isoc.ro">Eduard Tric</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=marta@fccn.pt
href="mailto:marta@fccn.pt">Marta Dias</A> ; <A
title=chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">'Chapter Delegates'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Isoc ,Eu
Directive on data retention and Romanian Law request for comments</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Hi Marta , Thanks for the info, Portugal did their homework just
like any other member state. <BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>What is interesting in Romania is that this law (and implicit the
directive ) is unconstitutional.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>The Directive </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-US
class=yui_3_2_0_16_1309257464873133> 2006/24/EC </SPAN><SPAN> was made
before EU enlargement, Romania never voted for it , so it should be modified.
<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>As a general rule , any directive declared
</SPAN><SPAN>unconstitutional by a member state </SPAN><SPAN>should be
modified. <BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>EU is a union of sovereign states and should never act as a
super-state, or it will be "the end of a beautiful friendship" , to mis-quote
from Casablanca..</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Regards,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Eduard<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Marta Dias
<marta@fccn.pt><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
'Eduard Tric' <eduard.tric@isoc.ro>; 'Chapter Delegates'
<chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org>; 'Frederic Donck'
<donck@isoc.org>; 'Christopher Wilkinson'
<cw@christopherwilkinson.eu><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:15
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
[Chapter-delegates] Isoc , Eu Directive on data retention and Romanian Law
request for comments<BR></FONT><BR>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>Hi,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>In Portugal Law 32/2008, transposes into national law Directive
2006/24/EC of Parliament and the Council of 15 March on the retention of data
generated or processed in the context of provision of electronic
communications services or of public communications networks. Under this law
the operators are required to retain the data for a one year period (from the
date of the conclusion of the communication).</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>Best regards,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>Marta M. Dias</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US><A href="http://ISOC.PT" target=_blank>ISOC.PT</A></SPAN></DIV>
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chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org
[mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Eduard
Tric<BR><B>Sent:</B> terça-feira, 28 de Junho de 2011 13:51<BR><B>To:</B>
Chapter Delegates; Frederic Donck; Christopher Wilkinson<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Chapter-delegates] Isoc , Eu Directive on data retention and Romanian Law
request for comments</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">As you probably know , the
Romanian Constitutional Court has declared in 2009 Unconstitional the
Romanian transposition of the Eu Directive on Data retention (romanian
law 298/2008). As a reminder , this directive asked to retain for 6 months
(expenses paid by the operators ) any telecommunication data, including and
not limited also to internet data.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Now the romanian government
decided to have a more open approach , and are asking for input from civil
society. We have 2-3 weeks to make an answer that is compliant to the
Directive AND to the Constitutional court decision.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">We would be happy to
take on our side input from other chapters, Isoc ECC, Isoc HQ and
European Bureau.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">. As it is unlikey that in
Romania other organisations will respond , we see this as an opportunity for
ISOC , especially in preparation for the Inet in Bucharest but also to
mark a point and help to change this unuseful directive into a more
citzien-oriented one. It's gonna be our first public policy-making position,
so we want to be as accurate as possible.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Regards,</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Eduard Tric</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">References
:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">http://www.mcsi.ro/Transparenta-decizionala</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">http://www.mcsi.ro/Transparenta-decizionala/24/ProiectRetinereaDatelor</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">http://www.mcsi.ro/Transparenta-decizionala/24/ExpunereMotive</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Eu Directive </SPAN><SPAN
class=yiv1498286920tpa1><SPAN style="COLOR: black">2006/24/CE with
modification on </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN class=yiv1498286920tpa1><SPAN
style="COLOR: black" lang=RO>2002/58/CE
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32006L0024:EN:HTML
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">romanian law 298/2008
http://www.legi-internet.ro/legislatie-itc/date-cu-caracter-personal/legea-2982008-privind-pastrarea-datelor-de-trafic-informational.html
</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv1498286920MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Eu commision letter from 16-th
of June 2011 reminding the necessity of transponding the directive
</SPAN><SPAN class=yiv1498286920tpa1><SPAN style="COLOR: black">2006/24/CE
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
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