<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Dear Lynn:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Following the recent exchange between Constance Bommelaer and Alejandro Pisanti may I make the following suggestions to help position the Internet Society in the eG8 event next week.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Internet Soceity representative should make it clear that, in this essentially political context, we are NOT representing the "technical community " alone, but primarily the public interest in the context of the user-centric Internet.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>To the extent that this event is presented to the public through the media, ISOC should not caution by our presence any particular conclusions that may be expressed.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Some G8 members (and <i>a fortiori </i>G20 in the future) may choose to take this opportunity to give a lecture, if not a lesson, to the Internet Community. We should be prepared for this and be ready to respond.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">4.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>The invitations and participation list to the eG8 are perceived, with some reason, as selective if not biassed. They are not broad enough to reflect and respect the principles of multistakeholder participation that the G8 members have endorsed. Consequently I would request that the Internet Society make very clear our reservations, and qualify our participation in this respect, not least with a view to restoring ISOC's credibility in the regard of global Civil Society.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">5.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>We do not know what conclusions may be drawn from this event, and how they will be conveyed to the G8 Summit. Suffice to say that ISOC will need to keep our powder dry. We must retain our freedom to support, comment or criticise the conclusions of the G8 in this area.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">6.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Finally, while appreciating the efforts of the ISOC staff in this context, I suggest that it is not the case that the staff is asking the Chapters to "<span style="color: rgb(30, 80, 168); ">leverage our</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); ">message through their own contacts and networks". Rather, it is that the Chapters are asking the staff to leverage our message to the eG8 and beyond.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); ">Should the staff have any draft briefing or other relevant documents in this context, we would be glad to see them in the next few days.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); ">With regards to you all,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); ">Christopher Wilkinson</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); min-height: 14px; ">Chair Internet Society European Chapters</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 80, 168); ">ISOC-ECC.org</div><div><br></div><div><div>On 16 May 2011, at 20:48, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Dear Constance,<br><br>thanks a lot for this note, and all for the previous ones.<br><br>I think that this meeting has an unusual strategic importance. It is very likely that exchenges between governments at the operational level (Ministerial and lower) include stuff like ACTA, HADOPI, Digital Economy Act, and simialr subjects. Recent Russian anti-spam law initiatives and so on can also be part of the menu.<br><br>We need to leverage all the resources of the Internet community's organizations to make sure the core of the Internet is understood and respected; that the principles of interoperability and openness take primacy; and that expertise and multistakeholderism rule.<br><br>Therefore I think that chapters able to speak or act inn this environment (around it, to their national delegations, by direct participation, etc.) must worry more, for this event in particular emphatically, on how to contribute to the general, central effort than on how to perform our/their own act. I hope we can do this without losing our decentralization and autonomy while understanding the value of coordination and strategic focus.<br><br>Yours,<br><br>Alejandro Pisanty<br><br>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .<br> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico<br><br>Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732<br><br>* Mi blog/My blog: <a href="http://pisanty.blogspot.com">http://pisanty.blogspot.com</a><br>* LinkedIn profile: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty">http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty</a><br>* Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/apisanty">http://twitter.com/apisanty</a><br>* Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614">http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</a><br><br>* Ven a ISOC Mexico, <a href="http://www.isoc.org.mx">http://www.isoc.org.mx</a>, ISOC <a href="http://www.isoc.org">http://www.isoc.org</a><br>*Participa en ICANN, <a href="http://www.icann.org">http://www.icann.org</a><br>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .<br><br><br>On Mon, 16 May 2011, Constance Bommelaer wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:37:30 +0200<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Constance Bommelaer <<a href="mailto:bommelaer@isoc.org">bommelaer@isoc.org</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: 'Christopher Wilkinson' <<a href="mailto:cw@christopherwilkinson.eu">cw@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cc: 'ISOC Chapter Delegates' <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> 'ISOC-ECC Board' <<a href="mailto:ecc-board@isoc-ecc.org">ecc-board@isoc-ecc.org</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Preparing for eG8 Forum, 24-25 May, Paris<br></blockquote></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite">Dear Christopher,</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thank you for your note. As detailed in my note below, although our role<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">will be limited at the eG8, we will try to take advantage of our<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">participation with other organizations from the technical community, to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">primarily emphasize the importance for governments to engage with all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">stakeholders in Internet-related G8 issues, including the technical and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">business communities, but also the civil society (which apparently has not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">been invited to the eG8).</blockquote></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite">We plan to build on our experience in the eG8 in May to develop a stronger<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">presence in the G20 process and possible G20 side events next autumn. Again,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">your thoughts and insights on these forums would be greatly valued. As we<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">develop a press release for the eG8 along these lines, we will ask our<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">community (chapter delegates, advisory council) to help us leverage our<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">message through their own contacts and networks.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Best regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Constance</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> _____<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Christopher Wilkinson [<a href="mailto:cw@christopherwilkinson.eu">mailto:cw@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>]<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: samedi 14 mai 2011 20:38<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: Lynn St.Amour; Gerard Dantec; ISOC-ECC Board<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cc: Constance Bommelaer; ISOC Chapter Delegates<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Preparing for eG8 Forum, 24-25 May, Paris<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Good evening:</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thankyou, Constance, for this information which was timely in view of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">debate about this event in other fora.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Considering the sensitivity of some of the subjects on the eG8 agenda, could<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">we please be consulted on the substance of the proposed ISOC contributions.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">With many thanks and regards to you all,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Christopher Wilkinson<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chair ISOC-ECC.org</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 10 May 2011, at 16:36, Constance Bommelaer wrote:</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Dear Members,</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Apologies for this long note; as preparations around the G8 meeting are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">accelerating, it seemed useful to provide some background information on the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">event. Although the preparatory process for this event was launched a while<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ago, it is only recently that we have been informed of the details<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">concerning the meeting.</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">As you may know, just before the G8 meeting (26-27 May, Deauville) there<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">will be an eG8 Forum (24-25 May, Paris) gathering the “leaders of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet”. Several I* organizations have been invited to participate (ICANN,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">W3C, IAB, ISOC, etc.), and we understand that the outcomes of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">discussions of the eG8 (format tbd) will be submitted to the G8 itself.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regarding ISOC’s participation, we are pleased to advise that our President<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and CEO, Lynn St Amour, and our Chapter Delegate for France, Gérard Dantec,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have been invited to be part of the eG8.</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Themes of the eG8/G8:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The eG8 Forum (draft agenda attached) is expected to cover a variety of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">issues including the “Internet and Growth”, “Internet and Societal issues”,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the “Future of the Internet”, “Innovation and Financing” and “Start-up<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Nations”.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What we hear from informal discussions with various stakeholders is that the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">preparatory process of the G8 included discussions on “Internet governance”.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The G8 summit in May will be followed by the G20 next autumn where Internet<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">issues will again be discussed, and probably in more depth. This seems to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">indicate that our community will need to continue monitoring the G8 and G20<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">meetings in the future.</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Possible input of the I* community<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Unlike the OECD High-Level Meeting on the Internet Economy (June 2011,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Paris) where stakeholders (e.g. ITAC, Internet Technical Advisory Community<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to the OECD) are associated to the preparation of the Communiqué, the G8<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">protocol is more formal. However, opportunities to contribute should include<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">participation in the eG8 Plenary Sessions and the parallel workshops (list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of participants tbc) and also publishing a press release.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Our primary objectives at the eG8 Forum, in cooperation with the other I*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">organizations invited to attend, will be to:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- shed light on the role and the work of the Internet technical<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">organizations;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- explain what the Internet ecosystem is and how the Internet works;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- emphasize the importance of the Open Internet: i.e. open<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">standards, open processes and open innovation.</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ISOC community’s involvement<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* Your thoughts on the themes listed above would be extremely valuable<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to us by Wednesday18 May. Additionally, as soon as we will have developed<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">our messages (e.g. press release) we will invite the ISOC community to echo<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">them through their own networks.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It is vital, in our view, to inform all forums addressing Internet-related<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">issues about the multi-stakeholder nature of the Internet ecosystem, and, in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">particular, it seems that the G8 and G20 are environments where there would<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">be great value in disseminating those messages.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Useful links:</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.eg8forum.com/">http://www.eg8forum.com/</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.g20-g8.com/g8-g20/g20/english/home.9.html">http://www.g20-g8.com/g8-g20/g20/english/home.9.html</a></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.novaspivack.com/technology/the-e-g8-forum-unveiled">http://www.novaspivack.com/technology/the-e-g8-forum-unveiled</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thank you and best regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Constance Bommelaer</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Senior Manager<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Strategic Global Engagement</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet Society</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">www.isoc.org <<a href="http://www.isoc.org/">http://www.isoc.org/</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><Program_e-G8_EN.PDF><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chapter-delegates mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>