<div dir="ltr">This is very unique, What should Internet Society should do.<div><br></div><div>K<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 February 2011 13:25, Joly MacFie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">joly@punkcast.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Certainly in the November efforts I think it was well established that it was Verisign. But I do belive they were US registrars. <br>
<br>After a little looking around I found an affidavit from November<br><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/45473003/ICE-affidavit-partial" target="_blank">http://www.scribd.com/doc/45473003/ICE-affidavit-partial</a><div>
<br></div><div>It would appear to be directed at both registry and registrars..</div><div><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/45473003/ICE-affidavit-partial" target="_blank"></a><br><br>with some discussion of it's basis here<div>
<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101217/01190512310/homeland-security-presents-evidence-domain-seizures-proves-it-knows-little-about-internet---law.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101217/01190512310/homeland-security-presents-evidence-domain-seizures-proves-it-knows-little-about-internet---law.shtml</a><br>
and more here</div><div><div class="im"><a href="http://www.isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=1670" target="_blank">http://www.isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=1670</a><br><br></div>One thing is evident - it is very media driven. The November takedowns were aimed at 'Black Monday' and this time it's the Superbowl.<br>
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<br>j</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><br><br>On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Patrick Vande Walle <<a href="mailto:patrick@vande-walle.eu" target="_blank">patrick@vande-walle.eu</a>> wrote:<br>> On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:59:37 -0500, Eric Burger wrote:<br>
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> Are you sure this has anything to do with the registry? I just did some<br>> whois searches on some seized domains, not just <a href="http://rojadirecta.com" target="_blank">rojadirecta.com</a>, and the<br>> entries look like normal registrations, done by normal registrars, only<br>
> pointing to ICE servers, not the original registrant's servers.<br>><br>> Has there been a case anywhere in the world where a domain was taken where<br>> the registrant's registrar was not in the U.S.? I am asking for<br>
> informational purposes - I do not know the answer and would be quite<br>> interested in the answer.<br>><br>> Eric,<br>><br>> Of course, I am not totally sure this has anything to do with the registry. <br>
> How could I ? The deafening silence of PIR on the case does not help. It<br>> could be the registrar, but again, GoDaddy did not comment the issue either.<br>> According to this post on another list, it was indeed the registry that<br>
> received the notice from the court, although I could not verify the<br>> information:<br>> <a href="http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/at-large/2011q1/007570.html" target="_blank">http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/at-large/2011q1/007570.html</a> <br>
><br>> I would be relieved if this has happened on the registrar level. At least,<br>> registrants have a choice when choosing registrars and can factor in that<br>> sort of risk. At the registry level, this is not the case, unless you want<br>
> to move to another TLD.<br>><br>> My concern here is that this creates a legal uncertainty for domain name<br>> registrants in .org, which may lead to less registrations, less profits and<br>> finally less moneyfor ISOC. PIR needs to speak up to reassure its customer<br>
> base.<br>><br>> I do not have the answer to your second question. I think such cases are<br>> still minimal.<br>><br>> Patrick<br>><br></div></div><div class="im">> _______________________________________________<br>
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