<html><head><base href="x-msg://140/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Incidentally I don't want to ascribe the same motives to those promoting disconnection polices in the US, UK and similar nations to those in countries where political censorship is the motive. <div><br></div><div>But I do think that the deep societal implications of disconnection are not understood and the likelihood of crude implementation of such policies will make things worse. Crude because we do not have the policing, judicial and oversight institutions in place to manage these things sensitively leading to inevitable collateral damage. <div><br></div><div>On rights. </div><div><br></div><div>Do you define and so tie up the Internet processes including IETF, W3C with keeping innovation to what it is legally defined to be?</div><div>Do you by making such a definition encourage service providers to offer services that are outside that definition so as to avoid human rights legislation?</div><div><br></div><div>Can you provide a right of access to unfettered communications? (within a legal framework) when you don't have universal network connectivity?</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Christian</div><div><br><div><div><br><div><div>On 29 Jan 2011, at 13:15, Franck Martin wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">There used to be an initiative from the French and Dutch government to make the Internet an fundamental Right in a democracy... I spoke about it earlier...<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span><br><br>Seems ISOC HQ was not interested at the time...<br><br><span name="x"></span><div><div><div>Franck Martin<br><a href="http://www.avonsys.com/" mce_href="http://www.avonsys.com/">http://www.avonsys.com/</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys" mce_href="http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys">http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys</a><br>twitter:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://twitter.com/FranckMartin" mce_href="http://twitter.com/FranckMartin">FranckMartin</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://twitter.com/avonsys" mce_href="http://twitter.com/avonsys">Avonsys</a><br><br>Check your domain reputation:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://gurl.im/b69d4o" mce_href="http://gurl.im/b69d4o">http://gurl.im/b69d4o</a><br></div></div></div><span name="x"></span><br></span><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Christian de Larrinaga" <<a href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net">cdel@firsthand.net</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Franck Martin" <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com">franck@avonsys.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:patrick@vande-walle.eu">patrick@vande-walle.eu</a><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday, 30 January, 2011 1:09:05 AM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Egypt blocking Facebook & Twitter<br><br><div>It is notable that the debate politically has moved since the banking crisis from an open Internet to domain name seizure and now physical and signalling disconnections and not just in Egypt, but in UK, USA, Europe and so on. </div><div><br></div><div>The implications of damage to the economic, societal and political life in and between countries if such a policy were to be implemented are simply unfathomable. Perhaps the Egyptian situation may give cause for pause. I hope so. </div><div><br></div><div>I see from the article that Lynn is in Davos. This gives an opportunity to press the point that such policies are liable to increase instabilities not just locally or regionally but in the case of US, UK and other highly connected countries globally. Egypt is not an example to follow. It is an important message.</div><div><br></div><div>Local disconnections imply global disconnections. It is a foreign policy and world trade issue not simply one of internal security.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Christian</div><div><br></div><div><div>On 29 Jan 2011, at 12:39, Franck Martin wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><span class="Apple-style-span" mce_style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; " style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div mce_style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; " style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/01/how_governments_can_flip_the_i.html" mce_href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/01/how_governments_can_flip_the_i.html" target="_blank">http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/01/how_governments_can_flip_the_i.html</a><span><br><br><span></span></span><br></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>