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<DIV>This issues impacts an effective decision making to critical situations
where ISOC is expected to effectively deliver.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rudi.vansnick@isoc.be
href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be">Rudi Vansnick</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=patrick@vande-walle.eu
href="mailto:patrick@vande-walle.eu">Patrick Vande Walle</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">ISOC Delegates Chapter</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society 2011 IPR
activities- Building a truly open and international dialogue</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Op 22-jan-2011 3, om 10:59 heeft Patrick Vande Walle het volgende
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<DIV>On 22 Jan 2011, at 05:36, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#cccccc">I think I heard at ICANN Cartagena
that ISOC is precluded from advocating for new TLDs as part of its charter
or its funding agreements. I might be mistaken, but someone from ISOC
said they'd look into any such prohibitions. I looked over the ISOC sight
and was unable to find anything on this.<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>If that is the case, we have problem. On the one hand, chapters go
out and express positions that HQ cannot/will not support. It seems that HQ
needs to shut up more often than not because it needs PIR money. Not sure this
is economic censorsorhip or some kind of blackmail, but anyway ISOC HQ is
prevented to express positions on certain issues.</DIV>
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<DIV>Should the chapters shut up to protect HQ's financial interests ?
Frankly, this is uncomfortable for both sides. The deafening silence from ISOC
on the new gTLD TLM issues are an embarassment to chapters, </DIV>
<DIV>and the positions of the chapters are an embarassment to ISOC. Are
we growing apart ? </DIV><BR>
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<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#cccccc">And Eric, be careful not to generalize
about TLDs. City-TLDs developed as public interest digital infrastructure
should not be considered a significant concern to IP stakeholders. See
the report from the IGF Vilnius entitled <A
href="http://www.coactivate.org/projects/campaign-for.nyc/vilnius-workshop-report">City-TLD
Governance and Best Practices</A> for more on
this.<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Any way, even within the traditional trademark business, TM owners are
expected to take actions to protect their TM. Defensive registrations are part
of that. Why these guys want a different more favourable in the TLD
environment that they get elsewhere is </DIV>
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<DIV>RFC 1591, on which the whole ICANN circus is based, makes it clear that
this is outside the scope of DNS administration. Again, one would expect ISOC,
as the keeper of the RFC orthodoxy, to remind this to all parties. </DIV>
<DIV><PRE>4. Rights to Names
1) Names and Trademarks
In case of a dispute between domain name registrants as to the
rights to a particular name, the registration authority shall have
no role or responsibility other than to provide the contact
information to both parties.
The registration of a domain name does not have any Trademark
status. It is up to the requestor to be sure he is not violating
anyone else's Trademark.
</PRE><PRE>Patrick</PRE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>I fully agree with Patrick's statement. TM are already a privilege a
citizen can not dispose of. And as stated, DNS has no legal rights to judge
ownership of an intellectual property. If so, it's clear that a citizen could
also claim ownership of his/her intellectual property being the content
published on his/her website.</DIV>
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<DIV>Rudi Vansnick</DIV>
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