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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 22 Jan 2011, at 05:36, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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I think I heard at ICANN Cartagena that ISOC is precluded from
advocating for new TLDs as part of its charter or its funding
agreements. I might be mistaken, but someone from ISOC said they'd
look into any such prohibitions. I looked over the ISOC sight and
was unable to find anything on this.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If that is the case, we have problem. On the one hand, chapters go out and express positions that HQ cannot/will not support. It seems that HQ needs to shut up more often than not because it needs PIR money. Not sure this is economic censorsorhip or some kind of blackmail, but anyway ISOC HQ is prevented to express positions on certain issues.</div><div><br></div><div>Should the chapters shut up to protect HQ's financial interests ? Frankly, this is uncomfortable for both sides. The deafening silence from ISOC on the new gTLD TLM issues are an embarassment to chapters, </div><div>and the positions of the chapters are an embarassment to ISOC. Are we growing apart ? </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#cccccc" text="#000000">
And Eric, be careful not to generalize about TLDs. City-TLDs
developed as public interest digital infrastructure should not be
considered a significant concern to IP stakeholders. See the report
from the IGF Vilnius entitled <a href="http://www.coactivate.org/projects/campaign-for.nyc/vilnius-workshop-report">City-TLD
Governance and Best Practices</a> for more on this.<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Any way, even within the traditional trademark business, TM owners are expected to take actions to protect their TM. Defensive registrations are part of that. Why these guys want a different more favourable in the TLD environment that they get elsewhere is </div><div><br></div><div>RFC 1591, on which the whole ICANN circus is based, makes it clear that this is outside the scope of DNS administration. Again, one would expect ISOC, as the keeper of the RFC orthodoxy, to remind this to all parties. </div><div><pre>4. Rights to Names
1) Names and Trademarks
In case of a dispute between domain name registrants as to the
rights to a particular name, the registration authority shall have
no role or responsibility other than to provide the contact
information to both parties.
The registration of a domain name does not have any Trademark
status. It is up to the requestor to be sure he is not violating
anyone else's Trademark.
</pre><pre>Patrick</pre></div></div></blockquote><div>I fully agree with Patrick's statement. TM are already a privilege a citizen can not dispose of. And as stated, DNS has no legal rights to judge ownership of an intellectual property. If so, it's clear that a citizen could also claim ownership of his/her intellectual property being the content published on his/her website.</div><div><br></div><div>Rudi Vansnick</div><div><br></div></div><br></body></html>