<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">Hello</font></div><br></font><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Alejandro Pisanty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:apisan@servidor.unam.mx">apisan@servidor.unam.mx</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<br>
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there are no ITU representatives. There are people in governments, as well as companies, who are representatives to the ITU. Some of them do become standard-bearers for the ITU. Some, in turn among these, tend to have their eyes and ears close to the Internet. Telecommunications policy and business are different.<br>
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That said, we can understand the ITU better.<br>
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When the ITU starts a project in a country it has allies in the country. some of these projects are good and some even go beyond extending infrastructure and training for telecommunications and allow Internet access and use. This is not always intentional.<br>
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Some projects are like setting up training in developing countries. Some of these are supported by Cisco. Many academic communities don't agree with them because they put aside some fundamental knowledge and are too much oriented to the company's product. We have discussed this with Fred Baker and others in Cisco over the years. The participation of companies like Cisco in both the Internet and the telecommunications field creates some confusion.<br>
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Our work must be for the growth of the Internet - take it to everyone possible, make it usable, make it used. We have to care about standards, interoperability, openness, access to information and to all (legal) resources available over the Internet. We have to try to avoid or stop misguided policies and programs which try to regulate and limit technology when they are trying to regulate people's conduct.<br>
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If part or all of an ITU-driven project fits into these goals, fine. We are not in a fight with the ITU. What we care about is the Internet.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#333333">This thread is quite disturbing. </font></div>
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<i><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333">The ITU plenipotentiary resolved to explore... collaboration and coordination between ITU and relevant organizations* ... in order to increase the role of ITU in Internet governance <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; ">* Including, but not limited to ICANN, the RIRs, the IETF, ISOC and W3C, on the basis of reciprocity basis.</span></font></i></blockquote>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333"> </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333">Sounds like the ITU considers itself as an umbrella even larger than the sum of all Internet Organizations put together. Participation in an ITU driver project as what? Sub-components?</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333">The Internet the ITU wants to invent is in not the same as the Internet of the Internet model. What are we expected to do here? Queue up to the local telecoms to give up on all the Internet ideals?</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333">The ITU and IP based networks? ITU is likely to be more interested in a network in which the telephone or mobile phone is the center of the Network. <b>That kinds of an internet is more like 'RICH SMS' from one phone to another, it wouldn't be Internet. </b></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333">When <b>the phone becomes the node rather than the medium</b>, that so called internet would be so much under control, not like the Internet which was designed to be a medium of communication with multiple channels of traffic. </font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333">Sivasubramanian M</font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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Yours,<br>
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Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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* Ven a ISOC Mexico, <a href="http://www.isoc.org.mx" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org.mx</a>, ISOC <a href="http://www.isoc.org" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org</a><br>
*Participa en ICANN, <a href="http://www.icann.org" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org</a><br>
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Grigori Saghyan wrote:<br>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:21:27 +0500<br>
From: Grigori Saghyan <<a href="mailto:gregor@arminco.com" target="_blank">gregor@arminco.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] How can ISOC chapters help in the development<br>
of IP-based networks?<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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Dear All,<br>
fully support Veni's suggestion.<br>
It is very hard process, in each country ITU representative is a governmental organization.<br>
They have serious problem - they do not have qualified staff, even more, they do not have anybody, who is able to understand modern challenges.<br>
In this situation any normal suggestion from local ISOC chapter can be very important for government, they need any feedback from ISOC.<br>
Let me ask once more - let us prepare suggestions, recommendations for local ITU representatives. Without such recommendations ISOC policy is a criticism without suggestions.<br>
With respect,<br>
Grigori Saghyan<br>
<a href="http://ISOC.AM" target="_blank">ISOC.AM</a><br>
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On 15.12.2010 18:19, Veni Markovski wrote:<br>
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Hi.<br>
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Changing the subject, I'd like to draw everyone's attention to a vital part of the ITU Plenipot 2010 resolutions, the words "including, but not limited to".<br>
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The Internet-related resolutions resolved that the ITU should<br>
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1. explore ways and means for greater collaboration and coordination between ITU and<br>
relevant organizations* involved in the development of IP-based networks and the future Internet,<br>
through cooperation agreements, as appropriate, in order to increase the role of ITU in Internet<br>
governance so as to ensure maximum benefits to the global community<br>
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* Including, but not limited to ICANN, the RIRs, the IETF, ISOC and W3C, on the basis of reciprocity<br>
basis.<br>
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Now, my suggestion for the chapters is to see which one of you can get involved in the work the ITU does, as the resolution calls for the ITU to engage through cooperation agreements, etc., and since the words only name some of the organizations, it does not exclude the others, quite the contrary - it includes them. If any chapter has the capacity to work in the areas, covered by Resolution 101, 102, 133, then it should approach the ITU - via its regional offices, or via the national representative (usually Ministry of Communications), and see what you could do to promote the development of IP-based networks.<br>
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best,<br>
Veni<br>
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