<font color="#333333"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><div style="font-size:small"><font color="#333333"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Dear Narelle,</font></font></font></div><div style="font-size:small">
<font color="#333333"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br></font></font></font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial">On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Narelle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com" target="_blank">narellec@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</span></div>
</font></font><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Franck Martin <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com" target="_blank">franck@avonsys.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ISOC HQ is embarrassed of its chapters, if they could not exists, life would be easier for them...<br>
><br>
> The board of trustee seems to support that view.<br>
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</div>I'm really sad you think that way Franck, and as a member of the Board<br>
of Trustees, elected by the Chapters, I absolutely do not hold that<br>
view. I've also not seen it in evidence in my term to date. Sure,<br>
there is always room for improvement, and I do have a sense that<br>
people are keen to make the improvements. Indeed Raul (as Chair), and<br>
others continually seek the Chapters' views on things.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#333333">I tend to agree somewhat with Frank Martin here. Though it may not be correct to say that ISOC HQ is embarrassed of its Chapters (Is there anything embarrassing about Chapters?), I feel that it is rather because of the convenience of a free hand that makes ISOC HQ slight the Chapters. Board of Trustees may feel included, but I wonder if they are really included. Even if they are, BoT may not have all the time required to look into the details. Most ISOC program and activities are increasingly decided by Staff. </font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#333333"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#333333">One question: What percentage of ISOC's revenues are allocated to Chapters? Of what is allocated to Chapters what portion goes directly to Chapters towards Chapter Development? Two or Three hundred thousand out of twenty million? </font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#333333"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#333333">I repeat what I wrote on Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:54 AM subject<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Report on Plenipotentiary Conference week 2 & views on Internet issues:</font></div>
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</font></font></font></div><div><div style="border-collapse: collapse; ">World Telecommunication Development Conference happened this year (May 8)24- June4) in Hyderabad, India <a href="https://elists.isoc.org/pipermail/chapter-delegates/2010-May/006259.html" target="_blank">https://elists.isoc.org/pipermail/chapter-delegates/2010-May/006259.html</a> </div>
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The Chennai Chapter could have contributed to the ISOC delegation's efforts, I replied directly to offer our participation the same day. </div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);border-collapse:collapse">
<br></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);border-collapse:collapse"><div><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(153, 102, 51)"><b>"</b><i><b>I will reach out to the Government of </b></i><span><i><b><span>India</span></b></i></span><i><b>. Isoc </b></i><span><i><b><span>India</span></b></i></span><i><b> Chennai possibly together with other </b></i><span><i><b><span>India</span></b></i></span><i><b> Chapters, could send out a communication to draw the attention of our Ministry of Information Technology and Department of Telecommunications to important aspects of ITU's involvement in the Internet. </b></i></span><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(153, 102, 51)"><i><b>Please advise us on the specific points to be raised with our Government </b></i></span><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(153, 102, 51)"><i><b>which may be in a postion to discuss that with other friendly delegations.</b></i></span><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(153, 102, 51)"><i><b>"</b></i></span></div>
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I did not get a reply. </div><div style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse"><div> </div></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);border-collapse:collapse">
Apart from WTDC in <span>Hyderabad</span>, there were other events during the last two years in which ISOC Staff traveled to take part (e-<span>India</span> at <span>Hyderabad</span>), committed funds by way of sponsorship (South Asia Network Operators Group Conference in Chennai) or organized the entire event with a very large staff delegation (INet Delhi and IGF <span>Hyderabad</span>). If there was any other ISOC International participation, I did not know. </div>
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In all these events Chapters in <span>India</span> could have contributed to ISOC's efforts but it does not happen this way. Why?</div></div><div style="font-size:small"><font color="#333333"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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This thread, does however also have a point. The Chapters should, in<br>
my view, be engaging with their governments to reverse the decision.<br>
How each of the Chapters go about that will be up to them. I urge the<br>
chapter representatives to use the material that ISOC has provided on<br>
the many related topics. Indeed, I'm hoping we in the Australian<br>
Chapter can meet with the relevant government people and put that<br>
position.<br>
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I also have no doubt the ISOC chapter contacts for the various regions<br>
will give chapters a hand, where they can, to prepare them/ourselves<br>
for such a meeting.<br>
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all the best<br>
<br>
<br>
Narelle<br>
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Narelle Clark<br>
vice president, ISOC-AU<br>
<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com" target="_blank">narellec@gmail.com</a><br>
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