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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Segoe UI">>>It goes to say that fine lines are
hard to find and our pursuits and abilities to to make clear
distinctions on a number of things may be critical to their
existence. Or maybe for Chapters only? ISOC will still survive for sure,
say even it negates Chapters, the "but" is what creates impact what comes
along afterwards, if happened.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=isolatedn@gmail.com
href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">Sivasubramanian M</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=narellec@gmail.com
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates] The Future of the Internet
Governance Forum</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at
9:05 AM, Narelle <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Franck Martin <<A
href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com" target=_blank>franck@avonsys.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>> ISOC HQ is embarrassed of its chapters, if they could not
exists, life would be easier for them...<BR>><BR>> The board of trustee
seems to support that view.<BR><BR></DIV>I'm really sad you think that way
Franck, and as a member of the Board<BR>of Trustees, elected by the Chapters,
I absolutely do not hold that<BR>view. I've also not seen it in evidence in my
term to date. Sure,<BR>there is always room for improvement, and I do have a
sense that<BR>people are keen to make the improvements. Indeed Raul (as
Chair), and<BR>others continually seek the Chapters' views on
things.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#333333 face="verdana, sans-serif">I
tend to agree somewhat with Frank Martin here. Though it may not be
correct to say that ISOC HQ is embarrassed of its Chapters (Is there
anything embarrassing about Chapters?), I feel that it is rather because of the
convenience of a free hand that makes ISOC HQ slight the Chapters. Board of
Trustees may feel included, but I wonder if they are really included. Even
if they are, BoT may not have all the time required to look into the
details. Most ISOC program and activities are increasingly decided by Staff.
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#333333 face="verdana, sans-serif"><FONT
size=2 face="Segoe UI">>>It is unfair to say it is increasingly decided by
Staff, even if it is true. But the BoT may have a bigger mandate
than to make direct involvement on what is supposed to be
the Staff matter. </FONT><FONT size=2 face="Segoe UI">I may need to
see more, not sure.</FONT></DIV>
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face="verdana, sans-serif">One question: What percentage of ISOC's revenues are
allocated to Chapters? Of what is allocated to Chapters what portion goes
directly to Chapters towards Chapter Development? Two or
Three hundred thousand out of twenty million? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#333333
face="verdana, sans-serif">I repeat what I wrote on Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:54 AM
subject<SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"> </SPAN>Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC
Report on Plenipotentiary Conference week 2 & views on Internet
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<DIV style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">World Telecommunication Development
Conference happened this year (May 8)24- June4)
in Hyderabad, India <A
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<DIV style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">The Chennai Chapter could have
contributed to the ISOC delegation's efforts, I replied directly to offer our
participation the same day. </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN
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will reach out to the Government
of </B></I><SPAN><I><B><SPAN>India</SPAN></B></I></SPAN><I><B>.
Isoc </B></I><SPAN><I><B><SPAN>India</SPAN></B></I></SPAN><I><B> Chennai
possibly together with
other </B></I><SPAN><I><B><SPAN>India</SPAN></B></I></SPAN><I><B> Chapters,
could send out a communication to draw the attention of our Ministry of
Information Technology and Department of Telecommunications to important aspects
of ITU's involvement in the Internet. </B></I></SPAN><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)"><I><B>Please
advise us on the specific points to be raised with our
Government </B></I></SPAN><SPAN
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may be in a postion to discuss that with other friendly
delegations.</B></I></SPAN><SPAN
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did not get a reply. </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2 face="Segoe UI">>>I share your
disappointment here. But mine is different, and it is not about anything on
ISOC. <IMG style="POSITION: static; MARGIN: 0px; FLOAT: none"
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MSNNonUserImageOrEmoticon="true"> For opportunities with government, in
your case might be another story, sometimes we just have to talk with our
counterparts and see if they would be interested on what we have, or we have
something we can do to help that might be of value to both (or among)
parties.</FONT></DIV>
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from WTDC in <SPAN>Hyderabad</SPAN>, there were other events during the
last two years in which ISOC Staff traveled to take part
(e-<SPAN>India</SPAN> at <SPAN>Hyderabad</SPAN>), committed funds by
way of sponsorship (South Asia Network Operators Group Conference in
Chennai) or organized the entire event with a very large staff delegation (INet
Delhi and IGF <SPAN>Hyderabad</SPAN>). If there was any other ISOC
International participation, I did not know. </DIV>
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all these events Chapters in <SPAN>India</SPAN> could have contributed
to ISOC's efforts but it does not happen this way. Why?</DIV></DIV>
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however also have a point. The Chapters should, in<BR>my view, be engaging
with their governments to reverse the decision.<BR>How each of the Chapters go
about that will be up to them. I urge the<BR>chapter representatives to use
the material that ISOC has provided on<BR>the many related topics. Indeed, I'm
hoping we in the Australian<BR>Chapter can meet with the relevant government
people and put that<BR>position.<BR><BR>I also have no doubt the ISOC chapter
contacts for the various regions<BR>will give chapters a hand, where they can,
to prepare them/ourselves<BR>for such a meeting.<BR><BR>all the
best<BR><BR><BR>Narelle<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>--<BR><BR><BR>Narelle
Clark<BR>vice president, ISOC-AU<BR><A href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com"
target=_blank>narellec@gmail.com</A><BR></FONT>
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