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Dear Christopher, <br>
Thank you for very important notes, especially points 2 and 3. In
some cases for local NGO it is impossible to have an external
management from a foreign board.<br>
In such cases, it's better to see each Chapter as an independent NGO
with local management, which accepts "recommendations" or "requests
for comments" <br>
from ISOC. Of course, in order to be in line with ISOC activity
each NGO has to accept such recommendations. But in the worst case
(e.g. conflict with local legislation)<br>
it will be possible not to accept these recommendations. Looks
important to reflect this situation in bilateral exchange of
letters between President of the Chapter and Chair of Board of
Trustees. <br>
Grigori Saghyan<br>
ISOC.AM<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 06.09.2010 23:08, Christopher Wilkinson wrote:
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cite="mid:ACB8484F-EC29-4FFE-9871-8B19C6C9E12F@christopherwilkinson.eu"
type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">Dear Anne Lord and
colleagues:</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">I wish to come
back to the draft Affiliation agreement which you have recently
re-published.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">Admittedly, I have
not followed this discussion closely in recent months, not least
because I had thought that the outstanding questions had been
adequately set out by ISOC Chennai last July.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">However, it would
appear that the same issues persist, so please allow me to make
some additional comments.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">Let me say, up
front, that all Internet Society members want the Chapters to be
effective, expanding and accountable, and that many of the
performance standards and other criteria mentioned in the draft
text are of great interest. The question is how best to achieve
this:</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">1.<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Having
re-read the ISOC Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws, I find
that - surprisingly - the category of membership of Internet
Society Chapters is not yet recognised. I would suggest that
before we go any further with this exercise, and particularly in
the light of the Board of Trustees' decisions to enhance the
role of the Chapters within the Internet Society, that we should
begin with an appropriate amendment to the Bylaws providing for
and recognising Chapter membership of ISOC.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">2.<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The
draft text presupposes an artificial dichotomy between ISOC and
individual Chapters. If the Chapters are an integral part of
ISOC, then one cannot reasonably ask them to enter into a formal
agreement with themselves. Recall that for most of our
individual members, their Chapter IS the Internet Society. Also,
it is not clear who would represent ISOC in such an agreement. </div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">3.<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Most
Chapters are incorporated under national Not-For-Profit, or
equivalent legislation. Before starting a process of negotiation
aimed at obtaining a number of such Affiliation Agreements,
world-wide, I would suggest that ISOC acquire information as to
the scope for our Chapters to enter into international private
agreements of this kind. Also, we should bear in mind that each
Chapter's elected leadership is primarily subject to the
internal control and assent of its membership. Accordingly it
may not be wise to try and impose, externally and contractually,
such performance standards and criteria, whatever their
objective merits.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">Consequently I
would recommend that the Spheres Labels group investigate the
alternative of transforming this draft Affiliation Agreement
into a bilateral exchange of letters between the President of
the Chapter concerned and the Chair of the Board of Trustees.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">4.<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The
draft agreement's excursion into Intellectual Property ("ISOC
IP") is bound to raise some questions. No doubt the Internet
Society would wish to restrain eventual abuse of our Logo
(although I am not aware of any such case). However, the
"goodwill" associated with the Internet Society largely pertains
to our Chapters in their respective geographical areas. It is
not appropriate to suggest that such "IP" automatically accrues
to ISOC.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">5.<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Implementation:<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The
negotiation, monitoring and sanctioning of such agreements
world-wide could occupy significant staff resources over a
period of years. I am not sure that this is a priority for
ISOC. I would of course defer to the Board of Trustees in this
particular matter. </div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">In any event, I
would request that the deadline for additional comments be
extended from 16 September to 4 October, or thereafter,
following the INET and Chapters meetings in London.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">Regards,</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font: 14px Helvetica;">Christopher
Wilkinson.</div>
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<div>On 03 Sep 2010, at 07:12, Anne Lord wrote:</div>
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<div>Dear Colleagues,<br>
<br>
I have previously posted to this list (see below)
information and an invitation to contribute to the ongoing
work in the Sphere Labels group. The group is helping to
define a minimum set of expectations about what it means to
be an Internet Society Chapter, which are captured in a
draft Affiliation Agreement. This is one piece of the work
to revise the Chapter Policies and Procedures.<br>
<br>
The draft Agreement has had review and feedback from members
of the Sphere Labels discussion list, the Chapter Taskforce,
the Lawyers and the ISOC Executive team. All the project
information (version 2 of the draft , a summary of feedback,
responses from the Taskforce and Lawyers and the next steps
are available at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.php?page=Sphere+Project">http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.php?page=Sphere+Project</a><br>
<br>
We would be very happy if you would like to comment on the
revised draft Affiliation Agreement. To do so, please join
the conversation on the sphere labels mailing list. To join
the list, simply send email to
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org"><chapter-support@isoc.org></a> or visit <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/sphere-labels">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/sphere-labels</a>.
The deadline for comments is 16th September.<br>
<br>
Sincere thanks to everyone who has contributed to this work
so far.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Anne (on behalf of the Chapter Taskforce).<br>
--<br>
<br>
Begin forwarded message:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">From: Anne Lord <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lord@isoc.org">lord@isoc.org</a>><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Date: 8 June 2010 2:15:48 PM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: Chapter Delegates <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Invitation to join Sphere
Labels group (draft Affiliation Agreement discussion).<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Colleagues,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Many of you may be aware that work
is underway in the Sphere Labels group to review and
revise the current Chapter Policies and Procedures at: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/policy/">http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/policy/</a>.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">There have been a series of
conversations about what it means to be a successful
Chapter, all of which are archived at: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.php?page=Titles+Labels+Images&bl=y">http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.php?page=Titles+Labels+Images&bl=y</a>.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">The goal of the work in the Sphere
labels group is to develop a framework in the form of an
Affiliation Agreement that shapes a partnership between
ISOC Global and the ISOC Chapters which ensures a truly
symbiotic exchange of value between both parties and makes
a meaningful contribution to the overarching mission of
the organization as a whole.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">If you are interested to join this
discussion you are invited to join the Sphere Labels
group. You can subscribe to the mailing list by going to:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/sphere-labels">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/sphere-labels</a>
or simply email <chapter-support @ isoc.org>.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Recent Activity:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">The group is currently discussing a
draft "Affiliation Agreement" which is the output of a
face to face meeting of the Chapter taskforce that met on
April 27 and 28. Comments are invited on the document at:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=5">http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=5</a>
from until June 30th. If you would like to participate in
this discussion, we would invite you to join Sphere
Labels.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">best wishes<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Anne<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">(on behalf of the Sphere Labels
group)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">---<br>
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